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		<title>By: trivagante &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Sirius Star</title>
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		<dc:creator>trivagante &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Sirius Star</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 19:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] again, it&#8217;s a tough one, because I think Zadie Smith&#8217;s a rotten little shit, but, you know, the lady&#8217;s got brains and she can sling a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] again, it&#8217;s a tough one, because I think Zadie Smith&#8217;s a rotten little shit, but, you know, the lady&#8217;s got brains and she can sling a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Common short story faults, according to&#8230; &#171; Writing Under a Pseudonym</title>
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		<dc:creator>Common short story faults, according to&#8230; &#171; Writing Under a Pseudonym</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 03:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] While that very move to not award a winner was very controversial, it&#8217;s blossomed interesting debates and commentary. Should a contest award a winner, no matter what? Were they right to withhold the award? Good stuff to digest on both sides of the debate (most notably, Edward Champion chastised Zadie Smith). [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] While that very move to not award a winner was very controversial, it&#8217;s blossomed interesting debates and commentary. Should a contest award a winner, no matter what? Were they right to withhold the award? Good stuff to digest on both sides of the debate (most notably, Edward Champion chastised Zadie Smith). [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Writer, Rejected</title>
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		<dc:creator>Writer, Rejected</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 01:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with you, Ed. I&#039;ve had enough of the literary royal attitude. Give me a break!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with you, Ed. I&#8217;ve had enough of the literary royal attitude. Give me a break!</p>
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		<title>By: Alicia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alicia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 01:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading the blog posts of the editors from the Willesden, I gave Zadie Smith a break.  She was given ten stories that she didn&#039;t like and I guess couldn&#039;t pretend to like enough to hand out the award. The award is attached to her name so it&#039;s her prerogative, though it would have been nice to encourage new writers. Since it&#039;s a contest, she wasn&#039;t under the obligation to edit. It was not the case where she was a guest editor for a literary magazine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading the blog posts of the editors from the Willesden, I gave Zadie Smith a break.  She was given ten stories that she didn&#8217;t like and I guess couldn&#8217;t pretend to like enough to hand out the award. The award is attached to her name so it&#8217;s her prerogative, though it would have been nice to encourage new writers. Since it&#8217;s a contest, she wasn&#8217;t under the obligation to edit. It was not the case where she was a guest editor for a literary magazine.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 15:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You keep mentioning how much you like Zadie&#039;s novels, like you&#039;re going through some masochistic ritual - &quot;I love you! Hurt me!&quot; 

Don&#039;t bother. Zadie&#039;s novels don&#039;t exactly possess the &quot;greatness&quot; she demands from amateur unpublished story writers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You keep mentioning how much you like Zadie&#8217;s novels, like you&#8217;re going through some masochistic ritual &#8211; &#8220;I love you! Hurt me!&#8221; </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t bother. Zadie&#8217;s novels don&#8217;t exactly possess the &#8220;greatness&#8221; she demands from amateur unpublished story writers.</p>
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		<title>By: Miette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 19:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s little to make of the situation causa ipsum;  there were a few judges who couldn&#039;t see eye to eye, or didn&#039;t share standards or tastes.  I&#039;d be curious to read those lengthy crits they compiled on the shortlisted entries, but there&#039;s nothing wrong with disagreeing - that&#039;s why there&#039;s more than one judge, right?

Zadie Smith is quite the condescending little vitrioholic shit, though, coming across as one of those writing teacher whose criticism stops at &quot;give me more emotion,&quot; but who MEANS &quot;make it more like one of my stories.&quot;  She&#039;s pleading for deprogrammed writing (which Paled My Black Heart) and offering up an excuse right out of your state college&#039;s MFA program. That&#039;s lame, dude.


(No offense to anyone enrolled in state-college-mfa-programs.  Except there&#039;s still probably time to drop out and unlearn everything they&#039;re purported to teach you).


And then she eulogizes the thing as a genuine &quot;unsponsored&quot; literary competition, evidently without the requisite social awareness to realize:  she&#039;s the damned sponsor.  We&#039;d hope ZADIE SMITH might attract a different sort of participatory demographic than the KING OF BEERS, true, but is it any bloody different?  Would eight-hundred people have entered if her name weren&#039;t behind it?  Would word have reached the far corners of the internet in their marketing and outreach?  It didn&#039;t reach my block-- maybe they should have asked Jonathan Saffron-Kunkenides or whomever to cosponsor.

Cripe.  I don&#039;t usually get so out of sorts.

-- Mtte.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s little to make of the situation causa ipsum;  there were a few judges who couldn&#8217;t see eye to eye, or didn&#8217;t share standards or tastes.  I&#8217;d be curious to read those lengthy crits they compiled on the shortlisted entries, but there&#8217;s nothing wrong with disagreeing &#8211; that&#8217;s why there&#8217;s more than one judge, right?</p>
<p>Zadie Smith is quite the condescending little vitrioholic shit, though, coming across as one of those writing teacher whose criticism stops at &#8220;give me more emotion,&#8221; but who MEANS &#8220;make it more like one of my stories.&#8221;  She&#8217;s pleading for deprogrammed writing (which Paled My Black Heart) and offering up an excuse right out of your state college&#8217;s MFA program. That&#8217;s lame, dude.</p>
<p>(No offense to anyone enrolled in state-college-mfa-programs.  Except there&#8217;s still probably time to drop out and unlearn everything they&#8217;re purported to teach you).</p>
<p>And then she eulogizes the thing as a genuine &#8220;unsponsored&#8221; literary competition, evidently without the requisite social awareness to realize:  she&#8217;s the damned sponsor.  We&#8217;d hope ZADIE SMITH might attract a different sort of participatory demographic than the KING OF BEERS, true, but is it any bloody different?  Would eight-hundred people have entered if her name weren&#8217;t behind it?  Would word have reached the far corners of the internet in their marketing and outreach?  It didn&#8217;t reach my block&#8211; maybe they should have asked Jonathan Saffron-Kunkenides or whomever to cosponsor.</p>
<p>Cripe.  I don&#8217;t usually get so out of sorts.</p>
<p>&#8211; Mtte.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 01:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fully agree with you. The tone of her blog post reeked of snobbery, but then she isn&#039;t really know for being warm and fuzzy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fully agree with you. The tone of her blog post reeked of snobbery, but then she isn&#8217;t really know for being warm and fuzzy.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek Catermole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derek Catermole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 16:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Er, does it not seem most likely that Ed submitted a story to this contest and got ignored?  Plus also, what happened to the collaborators at this &quot;new&quot; blog?  Seems to me we&#039;re back to the same grievance-and-jealousy axe-grinding we always saw at &quot;Return of the Reluctant.&quot;  Don&#039;t let yourself develop hypertension, Ed.  It&#039;s really a dangerous condition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Er, does it not seem most likely that Ed submitted a story to this contest and got ignored?  Plus also, what happened to the collaborators at this &#8220;new&#8221; blog?  Seems to me we&#8217;re back to the same grievance-and-jealousy axe-grinding we always saw at &#8220;Return of the Reluctant.&#8221;  Don&#8217;t let yourself develop hypertension, Ed.  It&#8217;s really a dangerous condition.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 14:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But what if we make the assumption that Zadie Smith is right? (Which is an odd thing for me to say because I actually don&#039;t care much for her writing. I thought &lt;i&gt;White Teeth&lt;/i&gt; started out great, but then my interest in the novel and her characters waned before the pages did. &quot;Here&#039;s a good place to end,&quot; I would think. But she had a lot more she wanted to accomplish with her mice of the future. And then, with &lt;i&gt;On Beauty&lt;/i&gt; -- I&#039;m too much of a fan of the Forster novel to want to see it &quot;re-written.&quot; Oh, and it&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Howards End&lt;/i&gt; -- no possessive apostrophe needed. The house/property didn&#039;t belong to some guy named Howard.)

(Oh -- and because I nitpick: are you sure you &quot;masticate upon&quot;? &lt;i&gt;Upon&lt;/i&gt; seems like the wrong perposition there. And I&#039;m not sure that there&#039;s a right preposition for there anyway. For that matter, what&#039;s wrong with the word &quot;chew&quot;?)

But back to my original point: what if there truly weren&#039;t any good stories submitted? Judging by &lt;i&gt;The New Yorker&lt;/i&gt; (not the most recent &lt;i&gt;New Yorker&lt;/i&gt; -- I&#039;m not up to the most recent &lt;i&gt;New Yorker&lt;/i&gt;. I&#039;m still on the &lt;i&gt;New Yorker&lt;/i&gt;s from several months back. It&#039;s like every week with those guys) there aren&#039;t a lot of great short stories. They all seem to be the same short story again and again: vaguely autobiographical, with something bleak, and then some sort of poignant unresolved ending. My standard there is, truly, no standard at all, I realize. But I would like to think that people who say they love literature actually love literature. And I&#039;d rather &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; see a prize distributed than see a prize given to an entry that was only almost good enough.

The part where Smith does seem a little too big for her britches is when she writes, &quot;For I have thought, reading through these entries, that maybe the problem with this prize is that my name is attached to it.&quot; Starting a sentence with the conjunction &quot;for&quot; generally sounds archaic and assy -- and then, in Smith&#039;s case, the rest of the sentence &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; a little assy. Zadie Smith isn&#039;t the reason short stories these days suck.

It does sound like more stories were read than you&#039;re suggesting were read. And it also sounds like Zadie Smith was never supposed to read all the stories, just those on the short list. But this wouldn&#039;t be the first time that you and I have read the exact same thing with wildly different interpretations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But what if we make the assumption that Zadie Smith is right? (Which is an odd thing for me to say because I actually don&#8217;t care much for her writing. I thought <i>White Teeth</i> started out great, but then my interest in the novel and her characters waned before the pages did. &#8220;Here&#8217;s a good place to end,&#8221; I would think. But she had a lot more she wanted to accomplish with her mice of the future. And then, with <i>On Beauty</i> &#8212; I&#8217;m too much of a fan of the Forster novel to want to see it &#8220;re-written.&#8221; Oh, and it&#8217;s <i>Howards End</i> &#8212; no possessive apostrophe needed. The house/property didn&#8217;t belong to some guy named Howard.)</p>
<p>(Oh &#8212; and because I nitpick: are you sure you &#8220;masticate upon&#8221;? <i>Upon</i> seems like the wrong perposition there. And I&#8217;m not sure that there&#8217;s a right preposition for there anyway. For that matter, what&#8217;s wrong with the word &#8220;chew&#8221;?)</p>
<p>But back to my original point: what if there truly weren&#8217;t any good stories submitted? Judging by <i>The New Yorker</i> (not the most recent <i>New Yorker</i> &#8212; I&#8217;m not up to the most recent <i>New Yorker</i>. I&#8217;m still on the <i>New Yorker</i>s from several months back. It&#8217;s like every week with those guys) there aren&#8217;t a lot of great short stories. They all seem to be the same short story again and again: vaguely autobiographical, with something bleak, and then some sort of poignant unresolved ending. My standard there is, truly, no standard at all, I realize. But I would like to think that people who say they love literature actually love literature. And I&#8217;d rather <i>not</i> see a prize distributed than see a prize given to an entry that was only almost good enough.</p>
<p>The part where Smith does seem a little too big for her britches is when she writes, &#8220;For I have thought, reading through these entries, that maybe the problem with this prize is that my name is attached to it.&#8221; Starting a sentence with the conjunction &#8220;for&#8221; generally sounds archaic and assy &#8212; and then, in Smith&#8217;s case, the rest of the sentence <i>is</i> a little assy. Zadie Smith isn&#8217;t the reason short stories these days suck.</p>
<p>It does sound like more stories were read than you&#8217;re suggesting were read. And it also sounds like Zadie Smith was never supposed to read all the stories, just those on the short list. But this wouldn&#8217;t be the first time that you and I have read the exact same thing with wildly different interpretations.</p>
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		<title>By: Bud Parr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bud Parr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 14:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to tell you, Ed. It didn&#039;t seem snobbish to me at all, particularly, but not necessarily, after reading Ghafoor&#039;s story that only two out of 850 stories were unanimously short-listed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to tell you, Ed. It didn&#8217;t seem snobbish to me at all, particularly, but not necessarily, after reading Ghafoor&#8217;s story that only two out of 850 stories were unanimously short-listed.</p>
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