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		<title>By: ed</title>
		<link>http://www.edrants.com/chunky-roundup/comment-page-1/#comment-175202</link>
		<dc:creator>ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 20:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Orlando:  I&#039;m not touchy.  But now we&#039;re arguing!  (DS didn&#039;t bring up these specific points, but I&#039;m happy to volley.)  

That wasn&#039;t the whole of my argument, as clearly imputed with the Updike and Stoppard examples that Ms. Young herself uses.  I don&#039;t accept Updike, Stoppard and Chabon as fan fiction (like you apparently do), because there are deeper thematics and characterizations (often elaborations on other characters) that clearly go beyond the morass I qualify as &quot;fan fiction&quot; (see Young, Cathy above) and into the realm of LITERATURE!  It is reasonable to reference culture in fiction, particularly when in the public domain, but my own view is that there must be a deeper grounding initiated by the author.  It is despicable (and illegal) to juxtapose characters from television shows into lackluster narratives.  It is laudable when one does something with it to create a grander meditation (such as Tom Carson&#039;s GILLIGAN&#039;S WAKE, which I don&#039;t view as &quot;fan fiction,&quot; although by your terms certainly could be).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Orlando:  I&#8217;m not touchy.  But now we&#8217;re arguing!  (DS didn&#8217;t bring up these specific points, but I&#8217;m happy to volley.)  </p>
<p>That wasn&#8217;t the whole of my argument, as clearly imputed with the Updike and Stoppard examples that Ms. Young herself uses.  I don&#8217;t accept Updike, Stoppard and Chabon as fan fiction (like you apparently do), because there are deeper thematics and characterizations (often elaborations on other characters) that clearly go beyond the morass I qualify as &#8220;fan fiction&#8221; (see Young, Cathy above) and into the realm of LITERATURE!  It is reasonable to reference culture in fiction, particularly when in the public domain, but my own view is that there must be a deeper grounding initiated by the author.  It is despicable (and illegal) to juxtapose characters from television shows into lackluster narratives.  It is laudable when one does something with it to create a grander meditation (such as Tom Carson&#8217;s GILLIGAN&#8217;S WAKE, which I don&#8217;t view as &#8220;fan fiction,&#8221; although by your terms certainly could be).</p>
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		<title>By: Orlando</title>
		<link>http://www.edrants.com/chunky-roundup/comment-page-1/#comment-175171</link>
		<dc:creator>Orlando</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 19:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Ms Entwhistle:

DS implicitly addressed your argument by addressing the flaw in it, which was, namely, that listing the flaws inherent in fanfiction (&quot;stealing copyrighted work and perpetrating bad grammar &quot;) does not mean that fanfiction  does not have literary value. Such value would be apparent in Chabon&#039;s The Final Solution, which is both an acceptable Sherlock Holmes pastiche and a meditation on what life means as one approaches death.

I&#039;ve presented an argument. I&#039;m assuming you&#039;re happily listening. Stop being so touchy, Doris.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Ms Entwhistle:</p>
<p>DS implicitly addressed your argument by addressing the flaw in it, which was, namely, that listing the flaws inherent in fanfiction (&#8220;stealing copyrighted work and perpetrating bad grammar &#8220;) does not mean that fanfiction  does not have literary value. Such value would be apparent in Chabon&#8217;s The Final Solution, which is both an acceptable Sherlock Holmes pastiche and a meditation on what life means as one approaches death.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve presented an argument. I&#8217;m assuming you&#8217;re happily listening. Stop being so touchy, Doris.</p>
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		<title>By: ed</title>
		<link>http://www.edrants.com/chunky-roundup/comment-page-1/#comment-175150</link>
		<dc:creator>ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 19:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He/she/it doesn&#039;t own me at all.  He/she/it never addressed my argument.  Offer an argument that fan fiction represents literature on the level and I&#039;ll happily listen.

As to my &quot;altar ego&quot; and related topics, obviously you&#039;ve never heard of irony.  Long-time readers are aware that &quot;Ed Champion&quot; is a fabricated sobriquet and that these musings come from a 54 year old botanist named Doris Entwhistle, who I pay quite well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He/she/it doesn&#8217;t own me at all.  He/she/it never addressed my argument.  Offer an argument that fan fiction represents literature on the level and I&#8217;ll happily listen.</p>
<p>As to my &#8220;altar ego&#8221; and related topics, obviously you&#8217;ve never heard of irony.  Long-time readers are aware that &#8220;Ed Champion&#8221; is a fabricated sobriquet and that these musings come from a 54 year old botanist named Doris Entwhistle, who I pay quite well.</p>
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		<title>By: Orlando</title>
		<link>http://www.edrants.com/chunky-roundup/comment-page-1/#comment-175143</link>
		<dc:creator>Orlando</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 19:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Ed: the guy who composes under the altar ego &quot;DrMabuse&quot; complains about a letter-writer who &quot;doesn&#039;t even have the cojones to reveal his real name&quot;? What? Also, upon consideration, if Ed Champion is the real name of a real person, well, perhaps Darby Suckling is the real name of a real person. Both names are uncommon. Also (and this is just nit-picking for the pure joy of the act), why do you refer to the letter writer as &quot;he&quot; if you suspect the letter-writer of being &quot;Ms.Young&quot;? Don&#039;t say you think the letter-writer is male. 

This is all just to say that &quot;Darby Suckling&quot;, whoever he or she is, definitely owns you in the comment numbered &quot;3&quot;, and it would be honest of you, and nice of you, to admit the fact. So touchy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Ed: the guy who composes under the altar ego &#8220;DrMabuse&#8221; complains about a letter-writer who &#8220;doesn&#8217;t even have the cojones to reveal his real name&#8221;? What? Also, upon consideration, if Ed Champion is the real name of a real person, well, perhaps Darby Suckling is the real name of a real person. Both names are uncommon. Also (and this is just nit-picking for the pure joy of the act), why do you refer to the letter writer as &#8220;he&#8221; if you suspect the letter-writer of being &#8220;Ms.Young&#8221;? Don&#8217;t say you think the letter-writer is male. </p>
<p>This is all just to say that &#8220;Darby Suckling&#8221;, whoever he or she is, definitely owns you in the comment numbered &#8220;3&#8243;, and it would be honest of you, and nice of you, to admit the fact. So touchy!</p>
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		<title>By: DrMabuse</title>
		<link>http://www.edrants.com/chunky-roundup/comment-page-1/#comment-174997</link>
		<dc:creator>DrMabuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 17:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Darby: Has it ever occurred to you that some of my phrasings were INTENTIONALLY BAD?  But never mind this.  Your remarks here don&#039;t even address the argument.  Even for a Pynchonite who doesn&#039;t even have the cojones to reveal his real name (could you, in fact, be Ms. Young herself!), you&#039;re doing a pisspoor job in defending fanfic&#039;s honor.  You&#039;re going to have to do better than straw man arguments, pipsqueak.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Darby: Has it ever occurred to you that some of my phrasings were INTENTIONALLY BAD?  But never mind this.  Your remarks here don&#8217;t even address the argument.  Even for a Pynchonite who doesn&#8217;t even have the cojones to reveal his real name (could you, in fact, be Ms. Young herself!), you&#8217;re doing a pisspoor job in defending fanfic&#8217;s honor.  You&#8217;re going to have to do better than straw man arguments, pipsqueak.</p>
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		<title>By: Darby Suckling</title>
		<link>http://www.edrants.com/chunky-roundup/comment-page-1/#comment-174881</link>
		<dc:creator>Darby Suckling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 16:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of blunders, your post &quot;reveals such blunders as&quot;:

1. Awkward repititions:

&quot;...an unsettling choice at your karaoke bar of choice&quot;

2. Nonsense usages:

&quot;comprehensible to your life&quot;

3. Nonparallel structures:

&quot; &#039;writers&#039; who labor over bad prose describing Kirk schtupping Spock and writers like Stoppard offering [try &quot;who offer&quot;] a witty and separately realized tale of two overlooked bumblers&quot;

4. Mangled idioms:

&quot;I advise novice writers to toil at such infecundities at their own peril.&quot; [You advise them to do what precisely?]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of blunders, your post &#8220;reveals such blunders as&#8221;:</p>
<p>1. Awkward repititions:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;an unsettling choice at your karaoke bar of choice&#8221;</p>
<p>2. Nonsense usages:</p>
<p>&#8220;comprehensible to your life&#8221;</p>
<p>3. Nonparallel structures:</p>
<p>&#8221; &#8216;writers&#8217; who labor over bad prose describing Kirk schtupping Spock and writers like Stoppard offering [try "who offer"] a witty and separately realized tale of two overlooked bumblers&#8221;</p>
<p>4. Mangled idioms:</p>
<p>&#8220;I advise novice writers to toil at such infecundities at their own peril.&#8221; [You advise them to do what precisely?]</p>
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		<title>By: Darby Suckling</title>
		<link>http://www.edrants.com/chunky-roundup/comment-page-1/#comment-174877</link>
		<dc:creator>Darby Suckling</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 15:50:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Call the police! Fanfic writers are stealing copyrighted work and perpetrating bad grammar and unnecessary prepositional phrases! Sheesh--what a prig.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Call the police! Fanfic writers are stealing copyrighted work and perpetrating bad grammar and unnecessary prepositional phrases! Sheesh&#8211;what a prig.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Stephenson</title>
		<link>http://www.edrants.com/chunky-roundup/comment-page-1/#comment-173909</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Stephenson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 00:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blunders, Ed? Or wonders</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blunders, Ed? Or wonders</p>
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