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		<title>By: genevieve</title>
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		<dc:creator>genevieve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 04:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good discussion, thanks, Ed for kicking it off. I am thinking (and have recently discovered to my very great surprise that writers at the Huff Post are also unpaid. ZUT ALORS.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good discussion, thanks, Ed for kicking it off. I am thinking (and have recently discovered to my very great surprise that writers at the Huff Post are also unpaid. ZUT ALORS.)</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Beale</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nigel Beale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 02:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I tend to agree with you, as does Philip Larkin:
http://nigelbeale.com/2006/06/the-best-writing-is-market-driven/

But in this particular instance, government is looking for input on how to allocate existing funds: what I suggest (self servingly) is that more go directly to writers, as opposed to printers, transporters and post offices...also, that if websites are able to attract large audiences, in many cases larger than printed publications, consideration should, if money is going out to support a &#039;literary&#039; culture anyway, be given - it isn&#039;t currently - to on as well as offline entities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I tend to agree with you, as does Philip Larkin:<br />
<a href="http://nigelbeale.com/2006/06/the-best-writing-is-market-driven/" rel="nofollow">http://nigelbeale.com/2006/06/the-best-writing-is-market-driven/</a></p>
<p>But in this particular instance, government is looking for input on how to allocate existing funds: what I suggest (self servingly) is that more go directly to writers, as opposed to printers, transporters and post offices&#8230;also, that if websites are able to attract large audiences, in many cases larger than printed publications, consideration should, if money is going out to support a &#8216;literary&#8217; culture anyway, be given &#8211; it isn&#8217;t currently &#8211; to on as well as offline entities.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Augustine</title>
		<link>http://www.edrants.com/critical-ass/comment-page-1/#comment-256700</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Augustine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 17:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, but I think the only chance for a higher quality of lit (and litcrit) is NO serious-type funding for online material. Let the genuine talents who are driven to write, despite the lack of money in it, do it. Don&#039;t encourage venal MFAs, and zero-talent dilettantes who are good at writing grant proposals and schmoozing corporate arse, to proliferate online the way they&#039;ve taken over &quot;print&quot;, by tossing meat in the water. Bring back the Gifted Amateur; down with the Talent-Free Hack. 

Anyone intelligent enough to write a good sentence can figure out a way to support the Art with a standard, unglamorous day job. Cut out the TV and the unnecessary expenses and you can do it. Commitments to Great Things are never a convenience. Convenience-Vanity-Credulity are the modern Holy Trinity that need killing off.

The difference between Art and Entertainment: Entertainment is the friend who always tells you what you want to hear and Art is the friend who doesn&#039;t. Cultivate more relationships of the latter kind if you want a deeper life. The cultivation does not involve money.

Cut out the Television and some of the hypnosis will wear off and you may actually find yourself wanting money less (if not wanting less money).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, but I think the only chance for a higher quality of lit (and litcrit) is NO serious-type funding for online material. Let the genuine talents who are driven to write, despite the lack of money in it, do it. Don&#8217;t encourage venal MFAs, and zero-talent dilettantes who are good at writing grant proposals and schmoozing corporate arse, to proliferate online the way they&#8217;ve taken over &#8220;print&#8221;, by tossing meat in the water. Bring back the Gifted Amateur; down with the Talent-Free Hack. </p>
<p>Anyone intelligent enough to write a good sentence can figure out a way to support the Art with a standard, unglamorous day job. Cut out the TV and the unnecessary expenses and you can do it. Commitments to Great Things are never a convenience. Convenience-Vanity-Credulity are the modern Holy Trinity that need killing off.</p>
<p>The difference between Art and Entertainment: Entertainment is the friend who always tells you what you want to hear and Art is the friend who doesn&#8217;t. Cultivate more relationships of the latter kind if you want a deeper life. The cultivation does not involve money.</p>
<p>Cut out the Television and some of the hypnosis will wear off and you may actually find yourself wanting money less (if not wanting less money).</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Beale</title>
		<link>http://www.edrants.com/critical-ass/comment-page-1/#comment-256667</link>
		<dc:creator>Nigel Beale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed, 

The Canadian government is, as you are doubtless aware, currently reviewing its Literary/Arts magazine funding programs. I made a submission to the committee involved with this review last year. Here are a few points made in it (find the whole enchilada here: http://nigelbeale.com/2008/04/the-case-for-public-funding-of-literary-blogs-and-book-reviewers/ )

6. Should the proposed program be expanded to support Web-only publications? Or should we continue with the current practice in the CMF of supporting digital ventures only for print-based publishers?
 

Very much the former. Although print publications are highly desirable, and support should be maintained to ensure that they continue to exist, excellent commentary and literary criticism is available in the literary blogosphere. Funding for legitimate literary bloggers should be made available.

This money again, as with print publications, should be earmarked for the production of written reviews and literary criticism, and where warranted, the production of serious (not promotional puffery) audio and video programming.
 

7. Should the proposed program put a greater emphasis on appropriate compensation for writers and other creators? If yes, how could this be done?

I have already indicated that this should very much be the case. High quality content is essential if the government, assuming this is a priority, wishes to succeed in promoting a healthy culture of literary reading. The easiest way to do this is for the government to provide funding for the production of book reviews and literary criticism. For example, writers/literary critics would first have to meet certain requirements to ensure seriousness of intent. Once qualified, they would be retained to produce criticism which, at minimum, would have to be posting on their own websites, at maximum with high traffic print/broadcast outlets and/or online mediums. Payment would be contingent upon meeting these objectives.
 

Admittedly this, in a way, constitutes government getting into the business, and as such may not fit with the philosophy of the current ruling party. But, given the importance of healthy community and democracy to Canada, and the threat that declining levels of literary reading pose to this valued way of life, I cannot think of a more important, nor indeed a more effective place in which to spend public money, than in the funding of literary journals/websites and the writing of literary criticism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed, </p>
<p>The Canadian government is, as you are doubtless aware, currently reviewing its Literary/Arts magazine funding programs. I made a submission to the committee involved with this review last year. Here are a few points made in it (find the whole enchilada here: <a href="http://nigelbeale.com/2008/04/the-case-for-public-funding-of-literary-blogs-and-book-reviewers/" rel="nofollow">http://nigelbeale.com/2008/04/the-case-for-public-funding-of-literary-blogs-and-book-reviewers/</a> )</p>
<p>6. Should the proposed program be expanded to support Web-only publications? Or should we continue with the current practice in the CMF of supporting digital ventures only for print-based publishers?</p>
<p>Very much the former. Although print publications are highly desirable, and support should be maintained to ensure that they continue to exist, excellent commentary and literary criticism is available in the literary blogosphere. Funding for legitimate literary bloggers should be made available.</p>
<p>This money again, as with print publications, should be earmarked for the production of written reviews and literary criticism, and where warranted, the production of serious (not promotional puffery) audio and video programming.</p>
<p>7. Should the proposed program put a greater emphasis on appropriate compensation for writers and other creators? If yes, how could this be done?</p>
<p>I have already indicated that this should very much be the case. High quality content is essential if the government, assuming this is a priority, wishes to succeed in promoting a healthy culture of literary reading. The easiest way to do this is for the government to provide funding for the production of book reviews and literary criticism. For example, writers/literary critics would first have to meet certain requirements to ensure seriousness of intent. Once qualified, they would be retained to produce criticism which, at minimum, would have to be posting on their own websites, at maximum with high traffic print/broadcast outlets and/or online mediums. Payment would be contingent upon meeting these objectives.</p>
<p>Admittedly this, in a way, constitutes government getting into the business, and as such may not fit with the philosophy of the current ruling party. But, given the importance of healthy community and democracy to Canada, and the threat that declining levels of literary reading pose to this valued way of life, I cannot think of a more important, nor indeed a more effective place in which to spend public money, than in the funding of literary journals/websites and the writing of literary criticism.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.edrants.com/critical-ass/comment-page-1/#comment-256665</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, I guess I didn&#039;t recognize the optimism in your tone, Ed. 

Most the busboys in my neighborhood are Mexican immigrants from rural villages, so I&#039;m guessing that they&#039;re not reading the NBCC blog and finding it unsatisfactory, no.  

Gee, I thought that you HATED mass market paperbacks.  You had that long, hilarious comment in the CHEAP discussion in which you personified the dignified, hand-crafted bookshelves you had owned, sturdy and august, worthy of Vollmann, comparing them to the lightweight cheapness of Ikea shelves, good only for slim mass-market paperbacks.  

And it still doesn&#039;t follow.  Are you saying that job-seekers will find, say, you to be relevant to the difficulties in their lives (or relevant despite the difficulties in their lives), but the NBCC to be irrelevant?  Modest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I guess I didn&#8217;t recognize the optimism in your tone, Ed. </p>
<p>Most the busboys in my neighborhood are Mexican immigrants from rural villages, so I&#8217;m guessing that they&#8217;re not reading the NBCC blog and finding it unsatisfactory, no.  </p>
<p>Gee, I thought that you HATED mass market paperbacks.  You had that long, hilarious comment in the CHEAP discussion in which you personified the dignified, hand-crafted bookshelves you had owned, sturdy and august, worthy of Vollmann, comparing them to the lightweight cheapness of Ikea shelves, good only for slim mass-market paperbacks.  </p>
<p>And it still doesn&#8217;t follow.  Are you saying that job-seekers will find, say, you to be relevant to the difficulties in their lives (or relevant despite the difficulties in their lives), but the NBCC to be irrelevant?  Modest.</p>
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		<title>By: DrMabuse</title>
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		<dc:creator>DrMabuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 13:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Genevieve: I&#039;ve actually been saying this for quite some time.  One of my hopes -- and there have even been a number of speculative meetings -- is to set up a place that can actually pay and support people to write about the arts.  Particularly those passionate and skilled voices who are marginalized or ignored by the newspapers, but who we all read.  If someone were to give me a budget of about $150K a year (and this is about as likely as me getting struck by lightning twice today), I would create an online area that would help many writers to survive and encourage crackling journalism that could thrive.   Places like The Rumpus are a good start, but they don&#039;t pay the writers.  And right now, with newspapers collapsing, writers need to be paid.  (Having said that, and with the caveat that the editors have thrown me some work from time to time and I am accordingly very grateful, I think The Barnes and Noble Review has been very good about establishing something like this.)

Andy:  Obviously, you aren&#039;t aware of this wonderful human quality called optimism. Or do you really believe that people aren&#039;t reading when they&#039;re not looking for work?  If you can&#039;t afford the $27 hardcover, you can go into a used bookstore and buy a $1 used mass-market paperback.  That was, oddly enough, how I discovered the postmodernists as a young man with no money.  If people can&#039;t buy the books now, then they can always buy them later when times are flush.  Remember that blogs are as much about the backlist as they are contemporary books.  So about a year from now, someone reading the CHEAP paperback can come back to this site and follow the 20K words of fiery but civil discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Genevieve: I&#8217;ve actually been saying this for quite some time.  One of my hopes &#8212; and there have even been a number of speculative meetings &#8212; is to set up a place that can actually pay and support people to write about the arts.  Particularly those passionate and skilled voices who are marginalized or ignored by the newspapers, but who we all read.  If someone were to give me a budget of about $150K a year (and this is about as likely as me getting struck by lightning twice today), I would create an online area that would help many writers to survive and encourage crackling journalism that could thrive.   Places like The Rumpus are a good start, but they don&#8217;t pay the writers.  And right now, with newspapers collapsing, writers need to be paid.  (Having said that, and with the caveat that the editors have thrown me some work from time to time and I am accordingly very grateful, I think The Barnes and Noble Review has been very good about establishing something like this.)</p>
<p>Andy:  Obviously, you aren&#8217;t aware of this wonderful human quality called optimism. Or do you really believe that people aren&#8217;t reading when they&#8217;re not looking for work?  If you can&#8217;t afford the $27 hardcover, you can go into a used bookstore and buy a $1 used mass-market paperback.  That was, oddly enough, how I discovered the postmodernists as a young man with no money.  If people can&#8217;t buy the books now, then they can always buy them later when times are flush.  Remember that blogs are as much about the backlist as they are contemporary books.  So about a year from now, someone reading the CHEAP paperback can come back to this site and follow the 20K words of fiery but civil discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://www.edrants.com/critical-ass/comment-page-1/#comment-256659</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 12:42:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geez, Ed, if the economic climate really contributes to the disinterest of all those people worrying in line for the busboy job, it doesn&#039;t seem as if it would matter whether it was &quot;stuffy and humorless critics&quot; exclusively or if links to other bloggers were included.  I mean, it doesn&#039;t follow, does it?  I&#039;ve heard people give the specious argument that good books are uplifting, but this is the first time I&#039;ve ever heard someone suggest that book reviews are uplifting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geez, Ed, if the economic climate really contributes to the disinterest of all those people worrying in line for the busboy job, it doesn&#8217;t seem as if it would matter whether it was &#8220;stuffy and humorless critics&#8221; exclusively or if links to other bloggers were included.  I mean, it doesn&#8217;t follow, does it?  I&#8217;ve heard people give the specious argument that good books are uplifting, but this is the first time I&#8217;ve ever heard someone suggest that book reviews are uplifting.</p>
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		<title>By: LouisBranning</title>
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		<dc:creator>LouisBranning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 12:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The old NBCC blog was always mildly interesting, but I stopped visiting because it became the single most boring thing on the web.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The old NBCC blog was always mildly interesting, but I stopped visiting because it became the single most boring thing on the web.</p>
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		<title>By: genevieve</title>
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		<dc:creator>genevieve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting that you are only just beginning to think like this now, though, Ed - you&#039;ve been blogging for at least six years?? isn&#039;t it?
A publisher here has already suggested to me  that he thinks book bloggers in Oz should get some arts funding - I would be rather embarrassed to carry an arts funding sticker all the same. It carries the whiff of being bought out by the cultural establishment over here.
If I was running a reviews site or a journal and wanted to pay other people to write, that would be another matter though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting that you are only just beginning to think like this now, though, Ed &#8211; you&#8217;ve been blogging for at least six years?? isn&#8217;t it?<br />
A publisher here has already suggested to me  that he thinks book bloggers in Oz should get some arts funding &#8211; I would be rather embarrassed to carry an arts funding sticker all the same. It carries the whiff of being bought out by the cultural establishment over here.<br />
If I was running a reviews site or a journal and wanted to pay other people to write, that would be another matter though.</p>
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