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	<title>Comments on: Did the New Yorker Make Nicholson Baker Elitist?</title>
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		<title>By: Alex Scherr</title>
		<link>http://www.edrants.com/did-the-new-yorker-make-nicholson-baker-elitist/comment-page-1/#comment-257056</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex Scherr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 21:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read Nicholson Baker&#039;s article on the Kindle all the way through. I found myself agreeing with most of his specific points: the Kindle&#039;s screen isn&#039;t paper white; it does a poor to middling job of displaying photos; I only own a license, and not the book (although since my wife and I share the account on Amazon, we can trade &#039;text licenses&#039; with each other.) 

Nor do I think his article makes him elitist: these are all legitimate complaints about the Kindle. And goodness knows, anyone who claims to be anti-elitist and ALSO owns a $450+ reading device has some self-reflection to do.

But the very best thing about Baker&#039;s article is this: I read it all the way through and totally forgot that I was reading it on my Kindle . . . the force of his prose, delivered without distraction, made up at the very least for the absence of commercial advertising on the page, and then some. 

Good writing thrives no matter the medium, whether web or hard copy or e-reader. With Baker&#039;s piece, it was EXACTLY as if I had a grouping of words, and only words, in front of my eyes for my private use. Just like a book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read Nicholson Baker&#8217;s article on the Kindle all the way through. I found myself agreeing with most of his specific points: the Kindle&#8217;s screen isn&#8217;t paper white; it does a poor to middling job of displaying photos; I only own a license, and not the book (although since my wife and I share the account on Amazon, we can trade &#8216;text licenses&#8217; with each other.) </p>
<p>Nor do I think his article makes him elitist: these are all legitimate complaints about the Kindle. And goodness knows, anyone who claims to be anti-elitist and ALSO owns a $450+ reading device has some self-reflection to do.</p>
<p>But the very best thing about Baker&#8217;s article is this: I read it all the way through and totally forgot that I was reading it on my Kindle . . . the force of his prose, delivered without distraction, made up at the very least for the absence of commercial advertising on the page, and then some. </p>
<p>Good writing thrives no matter the medium, whether web or hard copy or e-reader. With Baker&#8217;s piece, it was EXACTLY as if I had a grouping of words, and only words, in front of my eyes for my private use. Just like a book.</p>
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		<title>By: the new Nicholson Baker Fan Club &#171; Kindle Review &#8211; Kindle 2 Review, Books</title>
		<link>http://www.edrants.com/did-the-new-yorker-make-nicholson-baker-elitist/comment-page-1/#comment-257043</link>
		<dc:creator>the new Nicholson Baker Fan Club &#171; Kindle Review &#8211; Kindle 2 Review, Books</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 08:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] EdRants wonders whether Mr. Baker has become elitist. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: DrMabuse</title>
		<link>http://www.edrants.com/did-the-new-yorker-make-nicholson-baker-elitist/comment-page-1/#comment-256875</link>
		<dc:creator>DrMabuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 17:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for clarifying, Nick.  (After some thought,  and to address Richard&#039;s comments, and to likewise offer some apologia to Nick, who I probably should have contacted before making some of these assertions and who popped up here just as I was about to suggest that I was a bit off-base, I suspect that my rather grumpy reaction came about because I had come off a particularly terrible six-hour bus ride spearheaded by an unpleasant authoritarian type who was screaming at random passengers and who did not know how to drive.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for clarifying, Nick.  (After some thought,  and to address Richard&#8217;s comments, and to likewise offer some apologia to Nick, who I probably should have contacted before making some of these assertions and who popped up here just as I was about to suggest that I was a bit off-base, I suspect that my rather grumpy reaction came about because I had come off a particularly terrible six-hour bus ride spearheaded by an unpleasant authoritarian type who was screaming at random passengers and who did not know how to drive.)</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholson Baker</title>
		<link>http://www.edrants.com/did-the-new-yorker-make-nicholson-baker-elitist/comment-page-1/#comment-256874</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholson Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 16:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, there was no carrot waved by David Remnick.  The idea for the Kindle piece came from me.  The New Yorker has not &quot;applied a marketing team&#039;s craven predictability.&quot;  The New Yorker is the number 2 magazine at the Kindle Store (they were number 1 for a while), so they presumably have electronic revenue to lose as a result of my criticisms.  In any case they brought no subtle pressures to bear one way or another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, there was no carrot waved by David Remnick.  The idea for the Kindle piece came from me.  The New Yorker has not &#8220;applied a marketing team&#8217;s craven predictability.&#8221;  The New Yorker is the number 2 magazine at the Kindle Store (they were number 1 for a while), so they presumably have electronic revenue to lose as a result of my criticisms.  In any case they brought no subtle pressures to bear one way or another.</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholson Baker</title>
		<link>http://www.edrants.com/did-the-new-yorker-make-nicholson-baker-elitist/comment-page-1/#comment-256873</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholson Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 16:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The infamous &quot;puff up and die&quot; passage is spoken by Paul Chowder, the narrator of a novel (The Anthologist, to be published in September), who himself briefly fantasizes about doing a weekly poetry podcast with a name like &quot;The Paul Chowder Thimblesquirt of Rhyme&quot; and then despondently waves the idea away.  In fact the whole book is a sort of podcast.

I enjoyed doing the Bat Segundo Show.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The infamous &#8220;puff up and die&#8221; passage is spoken by Paul Chowder, the narrator of a novel (The Anthologist, to be published in September), who himself briefly fantasizes about doing a weekly poetry podcast with a name like &#8220;The Paul Chowder Thimblesquirt of Rhyme&#8221; and then despondently waves the idea away.  In fact the whole book is a sort of podcast.</p>
<p>I enjoyed doing the Bat Segundo Show.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 01:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just read this article, Ed, and though I don&#039;t think it&#039;s one of Baker&#039;s finer essays, I think your overall response to the thing is colored by your misreading of the blog remark. He is clearly not suggesting that all blogs are &quot;earnest and dispensable&quot;. 

And I am indeed curious about the context of the quote from his forthcoming novel. What is the &quot;stance&quot; you think is being expressed there? Is it a character speaking? A narrator? Is he saying anything like &quot;podcasters are all losers&quot; or whatever? If so, does that opinion have to be Baker&#039;s? Is it not a novel? I&#039;m confused.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just read this article, Ed, and though I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s one of Baker&#8217;s finer essays, I think your overall response to the thing is colored by your misreading of the blog remark. He is clearly not suggesting that all blogs are &#8220;earnest and dispensable&#8221;. </p>
<p>And I am indeed curious about the context of the quote from his forthcoming novel. What is the &#8220;stance&#8221; you think is being expressed there? Is it a character speaking? A narrator? Is he saying anything like &#8220;podcasters are all losers&#8221; or whatever? If so, does that opinion have to be Baker&#8217;s? Is it not a novel? I&#8217;m confused.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter L. Winkler</title>
		<link>http://www.edrants.com/did-the-new-yorker-make-nicholson-baker-elitist/comment-page-1/#comment-256844</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter L. Winkler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 08:53:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed:

I read your post, then read Baker, and came back and read you again.

I find your complaints inexplicable.

&quot;I’d be willing to accept Baker’s assaults on Jeff Bezos and the authors who appeared in the Kindle promotional video if Baker wasn’t so fixated on kicking down the average Joe like this.&quot;

I didn&#039;t see Baker kicking down the average Joe, Bezos and the named authors aren&#039;t hapless day laborers scraping bottom, and I don&#039;t think his criticism is equal to an attack.

How do you equate that with your latest lament that you can&#039;t criticize anyone and be published?

Then you complain that Baker didn&#039;t bitch about how people making $30,000 can&#039;t afford a Kindle or ipod Touch. People with limited incomes are excluded from owning many things. Does that mean no one should write about them? Baker was assigned to write about using the Kindle, and that&#039;s what he did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed:</p>
<p>I read your post, then read Baker, and came back and read you again.</p>
<p>I find your complaints inexplicable.</p>
<p>&#8220;I’d be willing to accept Baker’s assaults on Jeff Bezos and the authors who appeared in the Kindle promotional video if Baker wasn’t so fixated on kicking down the average Joe like this.&#8221;</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t see Baker kicking down the average Joe, Bezos and the named authors aren&#8217;t hapless day laborers scraping bottom, and I don&#8217;t think his criticism is equal to an attack.</p>
<p>How do you equate that with your latest lament that you can&#8217;t criticize anyone and be published?</p>
<p>Then you complain that Baker didn&#8217;t bitch about how people making $30,000 can&#8217;t afford a Kindle or ipod Touch. People with limited incomes are excluded from owning many things. Does that mean no one should write about them? Baker was assigned to write about using the Kindle, and that&#8217;s what he did.</p>
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		<title>By: Frances Madeson</title>
		<link>http://www.edrants.com/did-the-new-yorker-make-nicholson-baker-elitist/comment-page-1/#comment-256840</link>
		<dc:creator>Frances Madeson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 04:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What rhymes with &quot;six months(?!!!) of Metracal?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What rhymes with &#8220;six months(?!!!) of Metracal?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: &#8220;I&#8217;m not sure I want to read books on a tablet. But a magazine&#8230;&#8221; &#171; Scrawled in Wax</title>
		<link>http://www.edrants.com/did-the-new-yorker-make-nicholson-baker-elitist/comment-page-1/#comment-256838</link>
		<dc:creator>&#8220;I&#8217;m not sure I want to read books on a tablet. But a magazine&#8230;&#8221; &#171; Scrawled in Wax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 03:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] was what they were calling e-paper? This four-by-five window onto an overcast afternoon?&#8221;), you can&#8217;t help but feel that, after having written a glowing, unexpected paean to Wikipedia, Baker is just becoming good at [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] was what they were calling e-paper? This four-by-five window onto an overcast afternoon?&#8221;), you can&#8217;t help but feel that, after having written a glowing, unexpected paean to Wikipedia, Baker is just becoming good at [...]</p>
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		<title>By: DrMabuse</title>
		<link>http://www.edrants.com/did-the-new-yorker-make-nicholson-baker-elitist/comment-page-1/#comment-256834</link>
		<dc:creator>DrMabuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 18:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rake: More limericks please.  (Hell, I do hope there&#039;s a future post at your place featuring the Collected Limericks of the Garter Belt!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rake: More limericks please.  (Hell, I do hope there&#8217;s a future post at your place featuring the Collected Limericks of the Garter Belt!)</p>
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		<title>By: Rake</title>
		<link>http://www.edrants.com/did-the-new-yorker-make-nicholson-baker-elitist/comment-page-1/#comment-256833</link>
		<dc:creator>Rake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 18:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There once was a fellow named Baker,
In his mien akin to a Quaker.
When upset by dint
Of the slow death of Print,
He threw a prosaic haymaker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There once was a fellow named Baker,<br />
In his mien akin to a Quaker.<br />
When upset by dint<br />
Of the slow death of Print,<br />
He threw a prosaic haymaker.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven W. Beattie</title>
		<link>http://www.edrants.com/did-the-new-yorker-make-nicholson-baker-elitist/comment-page-1/#comment-256832</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven W. Beattie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 18:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, that should have read &quot;converted TO Vizplex...&quot; etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, that should have read &#8220;converted TO Vizplex&#8230;&#8221; etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven W. Beattie</title>
		<link>http://www.edrants.com/did-the-new-yorker-make-nicholson-baker-elitist/comment-page-1/#comment-256831</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven W. Beattie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 18:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Ed: I think you must have read a different version of this article than the one I did. Nowhere in the version I read does Baker suggest &quot;that all blogs are &#039;earnest and dispensable.&#039;&quot; Rather, he says that when newspapers are converted Vizplex for reading on a Kindle DX, the device turns them into &quot;earnest but dispensable blogs.&quot; He was talking about the diminishment of newspapers when read on a Kindle, not the relative quality of online writing in general. To suggest otherwise is disingenuous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Ed: I think you must have read a different version of this article than the one I did. Nowhere in the version I read does Baker suggest &#8220;that all blogs are &#8216;earnest and dispensable.&#8217;&#8221; Rather, he says that when newspapers are converted Vizplex for reading on a Kindle DX, the device turns them into &#8220;earnest but dispensable blogs.&#8221; He was talking about the diminishment of newspapers when read on a Kindle, not the relative quality of online writing in general. To suggest otherwise is disingenuous.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.edrants.com/did-the-new-yorker-make-nicholson-baker-elitist/comment-page-1/#comment-256830</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 17:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who is speaking in the passage from The Anthologist?</description>
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		<title>By: DrMabuse</title>
		<link>http://www.edrants.com/did-the-new-yorker-make-nicholson-baker-elitist/comment-page-1/#comment-256825</link>
		<dc:creator>DrMabuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 04:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frances: I like fontina just fine and, in fact, introduced a number of New Englanders, to a cardomam rice thing I do designed to match some kabob.  I also like me some rudimentary head cheese.  All depends on the circumstances.  Don&#039;t assume.  I&#039;m adaptable.  

I can attest that Baker is a sweetheart, but there is a strain in this essay that is completely at odds with Baker&#039;s true and genuine gift as a writer: namely, that ability to get EVERYONE excited about the quotidian and to gently suggest that the incurious are missing something without ridiculing them.  I admire that quality tremendously.  But Baker blew it with this essay with the cheap digs.  He&#039;s too GOOD a writer to stoop to these lows.  Remnick waved the carrot here, and both men are culpable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frances: I like fontina just fine and, in fact, introduced a number of New Englanders, to a cardomam rice thing I do designed to match some kabob.  I also like me some rudimentary head cheese.  All depends on the circumstances.  Don&#8217;t assume.  I&#8217;m adaptable.  </p>
<p>I can attest that Baker is a sweetheart, but there is a strain in this essay that is completely at odds with Baker&#8217;s true and genuine gift as a writer: namely, that ability to get EVERYONE excited about the quotidian and to gently suggest that the incurious are missing something without ridiculing them.  I admire that quality tremendously.  But Baker blew it with this essay with the cheap digs.  He&#8217;s too GOOD a writer to stoop to these lows.  Remnick waved the carrot here, and both men are culpable.</p>
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		<title>By: Frances Madeson</title>
		<link>http://www.edrants.com/did-the-new-yorker-make-nicholson-baker-elitist/comment-page-1/#comment-256824</link>
		<dc:creator>Frances Madeson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 03:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To know you is to love you, darling. You totally cracked me up with this one. Why don&#039;t you simply admit your aversion to fontina cheese and let it rest? I think Mr. Remnick, who is obviously running a very tight ship (albeit sinking) doesn&#039;t need you micro-managing his editorial policies. He&#039;s doing a magnificent job in a very challenging environment. Let him earn his million dollars a year without any help from you.

I thought Mr. Baker was a total sweetheart, especially to his fellow townspeople. He&#039;s single handedly driving the economic development up there. He bought ice cream, digestive biscuits, a teapot and plenty of books from the local shopkeepers. And if he charged it to Conde Nast as a pass-through to Monsanto, all the better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To know you is to love you, darling. You totally cracked me up with this one. Why don&#8217;t you simply admit your aversion to fontina cheese and let it rest? I think Mr. Remnick, who is obviously running a very tight ship (albeit sinking) doesn&#8217;t need you micro-managing his editorial policies. He&#8217;s doing a magnificent job in a very challenging environment. Let him earn his million dollars a year without any help from you.</p>
<p>I thought Mr. Baker was a total sweetheart, especially to his fellow townspeople. He&#8217;s single handedly driving the economic development up there. He bought ice cream, digestive biscuits, a teapot and plenty of books from the local shopkeepers. And if he charged it to Conde Nast as a pass-through to Monsanto, all the better.</p>
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		<title>By: Levi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Levi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 01:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed, I don&#039;t feel that way at all about this article.  For one thing, Baker is writing this from a private and personal point of view -- he&#039;s narrating his own experience, not making generalizations about how others should feel.  His reaction is valuable to others who (like me) might feel similarly about the Kindle -- and isn&#039;t that often the point of good non-fiction writing, to commune with others about a shared feeling?

As far as the nature of his critique -- Nicholson Baker has devoted his life to books and printed texts, and has certainly earned the right to say whatever he wants about the medium now.

I don&#039;t argue with your right to dislike the New Yorker article, Ed, but as your fellow NB enthusiast I have to say I disagree.  This is a very important topic, and certain things need to be said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed, I don&#8217;t feel that way at all about this article.  For one thing, Baker is writing this from a private and personal point of view &#8212; he&#8217;s narrating his own experience, not making generalizations about how others should feel.  His reaction is valuable to others who (like me) might feel similarly about the Kindle &#8212; and isn&#8217;t that often the point of good non-fiction writing, to commune with others about a shared feeling?</p>
<p>As far as the nature of his critique &#8212; Nicholson Baker has devoted his life to books and printed texts, and has certainly earned the right to say whatever he wants about the medium now.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t argue with your right to dislike the New Yorker article, Ed, but as your fellow NB enthusiast I have to say I disagree.  This is a very important topic, and certain things need to be said.</p>
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		<title>By: Miracle Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miracle Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 01:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think what we are all looking forward to is Amazon&#039;s round-the-corner &quot;digital shoe&quot; that will revolutionize the footwear industry, now that they are a billion dollar shoe distribution company.  A shoe so important it will change everything about feet. 

Personal speculation:  Chuck Taylors, bound in morphological e-ink.  You&#039;ll be able to buy unique skins that make them look like leather, canvas, crocodile skin, etc.  Laces?  FUCK laces.

Ziplock!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think what we are all looking forward to is Amazon&#8217;s round-the-corner &#8220;digital shoe&#8221; that will revolutionize the footwear industry, now that they are a billion dollar shoe distribution company.  A shoe so important it will change everything about feet. </p>
<p>Personal speculation:  Chuck Taylors, bound in morphological e-ink.  You&#8217;ll be able to buy unique skins that make them look like leather, canvas, crocodile skin, etc.  Laces?  FUCK laces.</p>
<p>Ziplock!</p>
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