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		<title>By: Gorundium</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gorundium</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2011 18:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He may be a snob, but that&#039;s ok. I like critics with strong opinions, it would be boring, if there were no critics like him. When it comes to art, a little snobbishness is necessary, otherwise it would be pretty lame and wishy-washy. When you have taste (and I mean real taste, something elaborate, something to work on, not only consisting of &quot;like it&quot;, &quot;not like it&quot;) then there are things that you hate. And I like eloquent haters in criticism, they are entertaining and important. 

This article sounds as if the person who wrote it felt offended by Wilson&#039;s criticism. That&#039;s ok, but it&#039;s not ok to call someone like Wilson incompetent and bash upon him in this way. He has done so much for literature, he wrote some very fine pieces and he had taste. Not your taste, not mine, but his own. So you have to accept, that he had opinions that you don&#039;t like on subjects which are important to you.
And, seriously, although I like Agatha Christie and this whole genre: it is not high literature when you compare it with people like Dostoevski, Shakespeare, Cechov or Proust. It is pretty good entertainment. But literature, for me, is more than that. It is deeper, richer, more complex, it tells me something about life, about psychology, about philosophy and the way we perceive things and if it is really really good literature it may change our perspective on many things. Last but not least, in literature language and style are very important things. For Christie language is just the means to tell a good story, for Proust or other writers, it is more, it represents the personality of the writer with all his idiosyncrasies, it is the medium of his art, it is itself art. All these things have no importance for Christie, she just wants to tell her story, she wants to present a mystery and the solution to it, for entertainment (and in this respect, she was extremely talented). 

I know, it always sounds arrogant, when someone distinguishes between mere entertainment and art, but I think, that it is right and justified to distinguish between these two forms. Of course, in between these two, there is a grey area, there is a mix, especially in modern times. But I think it&#039;s a failure to completely give up these borders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He may be a snob, but that&#8217;s ok. I like critics with strong opinions, it would be boring, if there were no critics like him. When it comes to art, a little snobbishness is necessary, otherwise it would be pretty lame and wishy-washy. When you have taste (and I mean real taste, something elaborate, something to work on, not only consisting of &#8220;like it&#8221;, &#8220;not like it&#8221;) then there are things that you hate. And I like eloquent haters in criticism, they are entertaining and important. </p>
<p>This article sounds as if the person who wrote it felt offended by Wilson&#8217;s criticism. That&#8217;s ok, but it&#8217;s not ok to call someone like Wilson incompetent and bash upon him in this way. He has done so much for literature, he wrote some very fine pieces and he had taste. Not your taste, not mine, but his own. So you have to accept, that he had opinions that you don&#8217;t like on subjects which are important to you.<br />
And, seriously, although I like Agatha Christie and this whole genre: it is not high literature when you compare it with people like Dostoevski, Shakespeare, Cechov or Proust. It is pretty good entertainment. But literature, for me, is more than that. It is deeper, richer, more complex, it tells me something about life, about psychology, about philosophy and the way we perceive things and if it is really really good literature it may change our perspective on many things. Last but not least, in literature language and style are very important things. For Christie language is just the means to tell a good story, for Proust or other writers, it is more, it represents the personality of the writer with all his idiosyncrasies, it is the medium of his art, it is itself art. All these things have no importance for Christie, she just wants to tell her story, she wants to present a mystery and the solution to it, for entertainment (and in this respect, she was extremely talented). </p>
<p>I know, it always sounds arrogant, when someone distinguishes between mere entertainment and art, but I think, that it is right and justified to distinguish between these two forms. Of course, in between these two, there is a grey area, there is a mix, especially in modern times. But I think it&#8217;s a failure to completely give up these borders.</p>
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		<title>By: marcus</title>
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		<dc:creator>marcus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 01:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The sad thing about wilsons snotty ( self admittedly absent and incompetent criticism ) of genre&#039;s such as mystery, horror and fantansy, is that those genres have replaced the &quot;serious&quot; forms of his generation. younger reasers of wilson (if there are any) must be wondering if he was on some heavy druge, or just insane</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sad thing about wilsons snotty ( self admittedly absent and incompetent criticism ) of genre&#8217;s such as mystery, horror and fantansy, is that those genres have replaced the &#8220;serious&#8221; forms of his generation. younger reasers of wilson (if there are any) must be wondering if he was on some heavy druge, or just insane</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 14:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wilson is a bit of a complicated person.  If he was a snob at times, it harkened back to his days as a privileged youth, going to a fine prep school and then to study under Gauss at Princeton. He read voraciously, traveled all over Europe, Russia, Canada in addition to the US.  But, he had a love for the common man, despite appearing snobbish at times.  Consider his in depth study of the Iroquois Indians and his genuine empathy for them.  I truly believe he was also a believer in integration and that all human races are equals.  I would not consider him &quot;boorish.&quot;

Wilson tended to get carried away by charming and good looking younger women.  Perhaps Anais Nin owed him her professional career for his overly enthusiastic reviews of her early works.  Also, Wilson drank too much.  If you read &quot;The Fifties&quot; and &quot;The Sixties&quot; you will see his thinking is often clouded by alcohol.  But, I enjoyed reading these plus &quot;Upstate&quot;, the &quot;Old Stone House&quot; and a few of his other writings.  I do not think you can truly call Wilson a snob after you see how he truly enjoyed mixing with the country people who lived around his beloved Talcottville Old Stone House.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wilson is a bit of a complicated person.  If he was a snob at times, it harkened back to his days as a privileged youth, going to a fine prep school and then to study under Gauss at Princeton. He read voraciously, traveled all over Europe, Russia, Canada in addition to the US.  But, he had a love for the common man, despite appearing snobbish at times.  Consider his in depth study of the Iroquois Indians and his genuine empathy for them.  I truly believe he was also a believer in integration and that all human races are equals.  I would not consider him &#8220;boorish.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wilson tended to get carried away by charming and good looking younger women.  Perhaps Anais Nin owed him her professional career for his overly enthusiastic reviews of her early works.  Also, Wilson drank too much.  If you read &#8220;The Fifties&#8221; and &#8220;The Sixties&#8221; you will see his thinking is often clouded by alcohol.  But, I enjoyed reading these plus &#8220;Upstate&#8221;, the &#8220;Old Stone House&#8221; and a few of his other writings.  I do not think you can truly call Wilson a snob after you see how he truly enjoyed mixing with the country people who lived around his beloved Talcottville Old Stone House.</p>
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		<title>By: angus lamont</title>
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		<dc:creator>angus lamont</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 20:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>heres to bunny wilson
who set the table at a roar
was best at criticism
and always managed to score
and now its po mo polemic
and writers who can&#039;t parse
farewell to edmund and his age
alas: we&#039;ve now just farce</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>heres to bunny wilson<br />
who set the table at a roar<br />
was best at criticism<br />
and always managed to score<br />
and now its po mo polemic<br />
and writers who can&#8217;t parse<br />
farewell to edmund and his age<br />
alas: we&#8217;ve now just farce</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 06:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To paraphrase someone&#039;s comment, Edmund Wilson&#039;s mission was to prove that he was the only adult in the room.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To paraphrase someone&#8217;s comment, Edmund Wilson&#8217;s mission was to prove that he was the only adult in the room.</p>
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		<title>By: warren leming</title>
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		<dc:creator>warren leming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 02:25:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wilson is easily the finest American critic of the 20th century. Mr. Champion helps us chart the decline of the American intellect....and his own.
Here again we see the &quot;narcissism of small differences...&quot; at which Mr. Champion is champ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wilson is easily the finest American critic of the 20th century. Mr. Champion helps us chart the decline of the American intellect&#8230;.and his own.<br />
Here again we see the &#8220;narcissism of small differences&#8230;&#8221; at which Mr. Champion is champ.</p>
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		<title>By: Lol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 04:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Edmund Wilson incompetent? ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha. Then again this is the INTERNET-dummyville.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edmund Wilson incompetent? ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha. Then again this is the INTERNET-dummyville.</p>
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		<title>By: Interim : Edward Champion&#8217;s Filthy Habits</title>
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		<dc:creator>Interim : Edward Champion&#8217;s Filthy Habits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 16:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a douchebag.&#8221; To be clear on this, I wrote &#8220;the man was a bit of a douchebag&#8221; and offered an argument supporting why I felt this to be the case. Nevertheless, I will inform the editors who hire me on a professional basis that Lee Siegel has [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a douchebag.&#8221; To be clear on this, I wrote &#8220;the man was a bit of a douchebag&#8221; and offered an argument supporting why I felt this to be the case. Nevertheless, I will inform the editors who hire me on a professional basis that Lee Siegel has [...]</p>
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		<title>By: fairest</title>
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		<dc:creator>fairest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 22:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ooh, can we have an essay on Stanley Edgar Hyman next?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooh, can we have an essay on Stanley Edgar Hyman next?</p>
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		<title>By: Demian Farnworth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Demian Farnworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 18:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, Wilson does have value: critics like Wilson help fellow snobs avoid the hack books, whether they are juvenile and clumsy, but bestsellers. It&#039;s a brotherhood that I like. Where Wilson failed is in his judgement that a mystery has no value. He just didn&#039;t see it as value and didn&#039;t allow anyone else to believe they had value. He was a hammer and everything else a nail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, Wilson does have value: critics like Wilson help fellow snobs avoid the hack books, whether they are juvenile and clumsy, but bestsellers. It&#8217;s a brotherhood that I like. Where Wilson failed is in his judgement that a mystery has no value. He just didn&#8217;t see it as value and didn&#8217;t allow anyone else to believe they had value. He was a hammer and everything else a nail.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 06:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m afraid it may have been Bunny Wilson&#039;s snobbery, rather than his great essays on such topics as Dickens, Wharton, Hemingway&#039;s misogyny, Casanova&#039;s old age, and Joyce, that allowed him to remain a revered figure in the Fifties and Sixties.  Only one side of the Left&#039;s populist/High Culture battles of the Thirties stayed respectable after the war, at least in literature; and it wasn&#039;t the side that welcomed Hammett and Pohl but the side that was more easily co-opted by the CIA. 

You know what else?  &quot;The Wound and the Bow&quot; is an utterly pedestrian essay, mostly comprising plot summary, that&#039;s had a pernicious effect on the use of Disease as Metaphor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m afraid it may have been Bunny Wilson&#8217;s snobbery, rather than his great essays on such topics as Dickens, Wharton, Hemingway&#8217;s misogyny, Casanova&#8217;s old age, and Joyce, that allowed him to remain a revered figure in the Fifties and Sixties.  Only one side of the Left&#8217;s populist/High Culture battles of the Thirties stayed respectable after the war, at least in literature; and it wasn&#8217;t the side that welcomed Hammett and Pohl but the side that was more easily co-opted by the CIA. </p>
<p>You know what else?  &#8220;The Wound and the Bow&#8221; is an utterly pedestrian essay, mostly comprising plot summary, that&#8217;s had a pernicious effect on the use of Disease as Metaphor.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 21:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, Seriously, some of us kinda like Tolkien and don&#039;t find his insights juvenile.

Hope the failed novel about nothing in particular is coming along swimmingly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, Seriously, some of us kinda like Tolkien and don&#8217;t find his insights juvenile.</p>
<p>Hope the failed novel about nothing in particular is coming along swimmingly.</p>
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		<title>By: Pumpy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pumpy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About mysteries, they ARE essentially whodunits! Or are you going against your advise that a book &quot;should be read on its own terms&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About mysteries, they ARE essentially whodunits! Or are you going against your advise that a book &#8220;should be read on its own terms&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Carolyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carolyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:16:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have tried, I really tried to appreciate Wilson and I have never found him anything but a tremendous bore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have tried, I really tried to appreciate Wilson and I have never found him anything but a tremendous bore.</p>
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		<title>By: Seriously?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Seriously?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 18:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wait, not everyone thinks that Tolkien is clumsy and juvenile? That is more surprising than Wilson&#039;s correct opinion of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait, not everyone thinks that Tolkien is clumsy and juvenile? That is more surprising than Wilson&#8217;s correct opinion of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Come on not everyone needs to love everything Ed. Besides if literary fiction sold even close to the way mysteries and other &quot;genres&quot; do they wouldn&#039;t need champions. (hah, haha) I think the snobbery of literary writers and critics (much like the snobbery of poets towards prose writing) has to do with the sense of embattlement one gets from being not widely read, not necessarily understood, generally ignored.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come on not everyone needs to love everything Ed. Besides if literary fiction sold even close to the way mysteries and other &#8220;genres&#8221; do they wouldn&#8217;t need champions. (hah, haha) I think the snobbery of literary writers and critics (much like the snobbery of poets towards prose writing) has to do with the sense of embattlement one gets from being not widely read, not necessarily understood, generally ignored.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 03:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s probably in there at some point, but &lt;a href=&quot;http://jrrvf.ifrance.com/sda/critiques/the_nation.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wilson also famously hated Tolkien&lt;/a&gt;, calling &lt;em&gt;The Fellowship of the Ring&lt;/em&gt; &quot;juvenile trash.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s probably in there at some point, but <a href="http://jrrvf.ifrance.com/sda/critiques/the_nation.html" rel="nofollow">Wilson also famously hated Tolkien</a>, calling <em>The Fellowship of the Ring</em> &#8220;juvenile trash.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: tbeshear</title>
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		<dc:creator>tbeshear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 03:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huh -- I listened to an unabridged audio version of The Nine Tailors years ago on a cross-country trip, and it was clear that Sayers was writing a novel of village life that happened to be disguised as a mystery. The solution to the mystery, while ingenious (and probably groundbreaking at the time), was a secondary pleasure. 

Wilson didn&#039;t &quot;get&quot; Lovecraft either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh &#8212; I listened to an unabridged audio version of The Nine Tailors years ago on a cross-country trip, and it was clear that Sayers was writing a novel of village life that happened to be disguised as a mystery. The solution to the mystery, while ingenious (and probably groundbreaking at the time), was a secondary pleasure. </p>
<p>Wilson didn&#8217;t &#8220;get&#8221; Lovecraft either.</p>
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