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		<title>By: Mark Dorset</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Dorset</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 11:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Doris Lessing&#039;s essay &quot;A women&#039;s Group, Informal, Casual&quot; in &lt;i&gt;Alfred &amp; Emily&lt;/i&gt;:
&quot;What has to strike one is that they were all so well-read — compared with now, remarkably so.  Nowadays, . . . it is not rare to read a reviewer saying, apparently with pride, that he, she, cannot read &lt;i&gt;War and Peace&lt;/i&gt; because it is long; or &lt;i&gt;Ulysses,&lt;/i&gt; because it is difficult.&quot;

From Enrique Serna&#039;s &quot;Living Treasure&quot; in &lt;i&gt;Best of Contemporary Mexican Fiction&lt;/i&gt;:
&quot;She now pitied the friends she used to admire.  Take Serge, for instance.  All that frustration distilled in his bloodless pronouncements on books and movies.  The night before he had dissected Michel Houllebecq&#039;s latest novel—even though he&#039;d only read the first hundred pages—as if he were reciting the charges against a heretic . . .&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Doris Lessing&#8217;s essay &#8220;A women&#8217;s Group, Informal, Casual&#8221; in <i>Alfred &amp; Emily</i>:<br />
&#8220;What has to strike one is that they were all so well-read — compared with now, remarkably so.  Nowadays, . . . it is not rare to read a reviewer saying, apparently with pride, that he, she, cannot read <i>War and Peace</i> because it is long; or <i>Ulysses,</i> because it is difficult.&#8221;</p>
<p>From Enrique Serna&#8217;s &#8220;Living Treasure&#8221; in <i>Best of Contemporary Mexican Fiction</i>:<br />
&#8220;She now pitied the friends she used to admire.  Take Serge, for instance.  All that frustration distilled in his bloodless pronouncements on books and movies.  The night before he had dissected Michel Houllebecq&#8217;s latest novel—even though he&#8217;d only read the first hundred pages—as if he were reciting the charges against a heretic . . .&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Flying Roundtable: Stage Three : Edward Champion&#8217;s Reluctant Habits</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flying Roundtable: Stage Three : Edward Champion&#8217;s Reluctant Habits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 13:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: DrMabuse</title>
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		<dc:creator>DrMabuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 00:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John:  Actually, I read all of the Peter Leroy books before this conversation (and the three-part interview).  The fact of the matter is that the Babbington layout constantly changes.  There are mansions that crop up seemingly out of nowhere (the subject of a noted fire) and then disappear.  A major river running through Babbington is the source of &quot;Life on the Bolotomy,&quot; but, rather curiously, very few of the characters seem all that concerned about this major tributary.  This leads me to believe that the makeup of Babbington -- constantly shifting, subject to Leroy&#039;s amendment -- doesn&#039;t matter nearly so much as the characters (or constructs) that inhabit Babbington.  What we have here is a difference of perception. I accept Babbington as a rich and striated projection of Leroy&#039;s mind.  You wish to see it as some topographical terrain.  Both viewpoints are just as constructive in seeing how Kraft &quot;plays around with the narrator,&quot; as you so put it.  (And I likewise agree with you about O&#039;Brien.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John:  Actually, I read all of the Peter Leroy books before this conversation (and the three-part interview).  The fact of the matter is that the Babbington layout constantly changes.  There are mansions that crop up seemingly out of nowhere (the subject of a noted fire) and then disappear.  A major river running through Babbington is the source of &#8220;Life on the Bolotomy,&#8221; but, rather curiously, very few of the characters seem all that concerned about this major tributary.  This leads me to believe that the makeup of Babbington &#8212; constantly shifting, subject to Leroy&#8217;s amendment &#8212; doesn&#8217;t matter nearly so much as the characters (or constructs) that inhabit Babbington.  What we have here is a difference of perception. I accept Babbington as a rich and striated projection of Leroy&#8217;s mind.  You wish to see it as some topographical terrain.  Both viewpoints are just as constructive in seeing how Kraft &#8220;plays around with the narrator,&#8221; as you so put it.  (And I likewise agree with you about O&#8217;Brien.)</p>
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		<title>By: John Goddard</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Goddard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 00:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not a writer or even an academic but have some comments.

Edward Champion writes [Stage 4]:
While Nabokov rather famously declared that he needed to know the lay of the land before writing a narrative, I don’t think these rules apply to Kraft.

Kraft has been writing about Babbington for 25 years or more. I think his books are really about Babbington more than they are about  the characters who live there. The characters are attributes of Babbington but aren&#039;t well defined themselves. Look at his earliest Babbington novellas (and it seems none of you have--although I don&#039;t want to ask you to like Flying because you haven&#039;t). He is playing around with the narrator in, I think, very funny ways. His earlier novels were kind to Babbington but Flying is a big send-up to its present-day pretensions as a tourist destination.

Edward Champion writes [Stage 4]:
And that, irrespective of the positive places that Kathleeen brings up, seems to me especially tragic. The idea of dishonoring the wonderful entity that you created in your imagination. Very much like Don Quixote.  But unlike Quixote, Peter isn’t really mocked for his efforts.  He’s secured an entire subjective realm through his memoirs. But should not some of this be challenged?  Should not some of this be mocked? Is it entirely fair to Peter to have him continue like this? Shall we send a case worker over to the Kraft household to ensure that he is treating his creations well?

At Swim Two Birds, by Flann O&#039;Brien. It is funny when characters escape their author&#039;s tyranny.

Anne Fernald writes [Stage 4]:
Sometimes, I even wonder if they are characters to him. It bothers me, for example, that shortly after her release from hospital from a fractured pelvis, Albertine is willing to go along with Peter’s search for a spot to make love en plein air. I’m sorry to be so dogged, but that injury felt really real to me — funny, but also a smart way of showing off their connection, Peter’s failings — and I wanted a line that assured me she was recovered enough for such an adventure. (I know how flat-footed and dumb that sounds, but it broke the illusion for me in ways that were not good.)

Kraft does what he wants with his characters. That is probably another of Peter&#039;s fantasies about Albertine rather than something that happened to the character of Albertine. Kraft does that.

Brian Francis Slattery writes  [Stage 4]:
For instance, why would someone write such a long book that stays so breezy throughout? Aren’t light, comic novels supposed to be short?

The first two parts of Flying were released as short novels (about 200 pages) in hardback. The third should have been, also, I think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not a writer or even an academic but have some comments.</p>
<p>Edward Champion writes [Stage 4]:<br />
While Nabokov rather famously declared that he needed to know the lay of the land before writing a narrative, I don’t think these rules apply to Kraft.</p>
<p>Kraft has been writing about Babbington for 25 years or more. I think his books are really about Babbington more than they are about  the characters who live there. The characters are attributes of Babbington but aren&#8217;t well defined themselves. Look at his earliest Babbington novellas (and it seems none of you have&#8211;although I don&#8217;t want to ask you to like Flying because you haven&#8217;t). He is playing around with the narrator in, I think, very funny ways. His earlier novels were kind to Babbington but Flying is a big send-up to its present-day pretensions as a tourist destination.</p>
<p>Edward Champion writes [Stage 4]:<br />
And that, irrespective of the positive places that Kathleeen brings up, seems to me especially tragic. The idea of dishonoring the wonderful entity that you created in your imagination. Very much like Don Quixote.  But unlike Quixote, Peter isn’t really mocked for his efforts.  He’s secured an entire subjective realm through his memoirs. But should not some of this be challenged?  Should not some of this be mocked? Is it entirely fair to Peter to have him continue like this? Shall we send a case worker over to the Kraft household to ensure that he is treating his creations well?</p>
<p>At Swim Two Birds, by Flann O&#8217;Brien. It is funny when characters escape their author&#8217;s tyranny.</p>
<p>Anne Fernald writes [Stage 4]:<br />
Sometimes, I even wonder if they are characters to him. It bothers me, for example, that shortly after her release from hospital from a fractured pelvis, Albertine is willing to go along with Peter’s search for a spot to make love en plein air. I’m sorry to be so dogged, but that injury felt really real to me — funny, but also a smart way of showing off their connection, Peter’s failings — and I wanted a line that assured me she was recovered enough for such an adventure. (I know how flat-footed and dumb that sounds, but it broke the illusion for me in ways that were not good.)</p>
<p>Kraft does what he wants with his characters. That is probably another of Peter&#8217;s fantasies about Albertine rather than something that happened to the character of Albertine. Kraft does that.</p>
<p>Brian Francis Slattery writes  [Stage 4]:<br />
For instance, why would someone write such a long book that stays so breezy throughout? Aren’t light, comic novels supposed to be short?</p>
<p>The first two parts of Flying were released as short novels (about 200 pages) in hardback. The third should have been, also, I think.</p>
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		<title>By: Flying Roundtable: Stage Two : Edward Champion&#8217;s Reluctant Habits</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 05:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Flying Roundtable: Stage One : Edward Champion&#8217;s Reluctant Habits</title>
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		<dc:creator>Flying Roundtable: Stage One : Edward Champion&#8217;s Reluctant Habits</dc:creator>
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