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	<title>Comments on: In Praise of David Orr</title>
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		<title>By: Levi</title>
		<link>http://www.edrants.com/in-praise-of-david-orr/comment-page-1/#comment-29013</link>
		<dc:creator>Levi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 02:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed -- first of all, I think it&#039;s amazing that you and I are having a discussion in which you are defending the Book Review.  That is a notable fact in and of itself. 

I respect your opinion, and George&#039;s, and I will take a fresh look at David Orr the next time one of his columns roll around.  But I have to say the examples you cite leave me lukewarm at best.  I remember that Elizabeth Bishop article -- it was the article that began like this:

&quot;You are living in a world created by Elizabeth Bishop. Granted, our culture owes its shape to plenty of other forces — Hollywood, Microsoft, Rachael Ray — but nothing matches the impact of a great artist, and in the second half of the 20th century, no American artist in any medium was greater than Bishop (1911-79). &quot;

I think this is a ridiculous statement, and what this means to me is that this critic does not take his own words seriously.  It&#039;s a puffy, frilly statement, the words of a person who doesn&#039;t care what he says as long as it sounds impressive (I listed a bunch of American artists with a greater impact &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.litkicks.com/BeatPages/msg.jsp?what=NYTBR20060402&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;). 

I also object to the fact that Orr constantly cracks dumb jokes in his article (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.litkicks.com/BeatPages/msg.jsp?what=NYTBR20050828&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;example&lt;/a&gt;).   I have lofty ideas about what a NYTBR chief poetry critic should be.  I&#039;m not saying David Orr wouldn&#039;t be a swell guy to hang around with at a backyard barbecue, and I&#039;m sure he knows a lot about poetry.  But he has a big role, and I want more from somebody in that role.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed &#8212; first of all, I think it&#8217;s amazing that you and I are having a discussion in which you are defending the Book Review.  That is a notable fact in and of itself. </p>
<p>I respect your opinion, and George&#8217;s, and I will take a fresh look at David Orr the next time one of his columns roll around.  But I have to say the examples you cite leave me lukewarm at best.  I remember that Elizabeth Bishop article &#8212; it was the article that began like this:</p>
<p>&#8220;You are living in a world created by Elizabeth Bishop. Granted, our culture owes its shape to plenty of other forces — Hollywood, Microsoft, Rachael Ray — but nothing matches the impact of a great artist, and in the second half of the 20th century, no American artist in any medium was greater than Bishop (1911-79). &#8221;</p>
<p>I think this is a ridiculous statement, and what this means to me is that this critic does not take his own words seriously.  It&#8217;s a puffy, frilly statement, the words of a person who doesn&#8217;t care what he says as long as it sounds impressive (I listed a bunch of American artists with a greater impact <a href="http://www.litkicks.com/BeatPages/msg.jsp?what=NYTBR20060402" rel="nofollow">here</a>). </p>
<p>I also object to the fact that Orr constantly cracks dumb jokes in his article (<a href="http://www.litkicks.com/BeatPages/msg.jsp?what=NYTBR20050828" rel="nofollow">example</a>).   I have lofty ideas about what a NYTBR chief poetry critic should be.  I&#8217;m not saying David Orr wouldn&#8217;t be a swell guy to hang around with at a backyard barbecue, and I&#8217;m sure he knows a lot about poetry.  But he has a big role, and I want more from somebody in that role.</p>
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		<title>By: George</title>
		<link>http://www.edrants.com/in-praise-of-david-orr/comment-page-1/#comment-28979</link>
		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2006 23:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here here, Ed. Orr is one of the good ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here here, Ed. Orr is one of the good ones.</p>
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		<title>By: Carla</title>
		<link>http://www.edrants.com/in-praise-of-david-orr/comment-page-1/#comment-28975</link>
		<dc:creator>Carla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2006 23:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do you call David Orr &quot;Mr. Orr&quot; and Levi Asher &quot;Mr. Asher&quot; yet refer to Sam Tanenhaus as &quot;Sammy Boy&quot; or &quot;Sammy T&quot;?

Is the editor of The New York Times Book Review a mere child?

And if so, isn&#039;t that a reason to give him some sweets -- like a brownie -- when there is something he &quot;did do right&quot;?

Positive reinforcement works for dolphins and husbands.  It might work with Mr. T!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do you call David Orr &#8220;Mr. Orr&#8221; and Levi Asher &#8220;Mr. Asher&#8221; yet refer to Sam Tanenhaus as &#8220;Sammy Boy&#8221; or &#8220;Sammy T&#8221;?</p>
<p>Is the editor of The New York Times Book Review a mere child?</p>
<p>And if so, isn&#8217;t that a reason to give him some sweets &#8212; like a brownie &#8212; when there is something he &#8220;did do right&#8221;?</p>
<p>Positive reinforcement works for dolphins and husbands.  It might work with Mr. T!</p>
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