Comments on: Permanently Deleted

By: RudyKho

RudyKho — Sun, 17 Oct 2010 03:56:33 +0000

now with the version 3.01 I completely happy with this, because no bugs for me.

By: Kevin

Kevin — Sat, 26 Dec 2009 02:34:13 +0000

I have been running my wordpress blog at retrovision.tv for years. I can only think of a couple times that the trash function would have saved my bacon. It seems like a natural progression from the post revision saves that wordpress has done for the last few tenths of version 2.

I don’t think trash hurts anything, since it permanently erases anything trashed 30 days later. I’m just inclined to ignore it and pretend it’s the same thing as delete.

Really, if it saves one erasure accident, it’s probably worth the little bit of disk space for safety.

If this worked like the windows trash bin and didn’t self clean, it would be a problem. I think this feature is not likely to be of benefit very often, but since it doesn’t hurt anything…… why not?

Maybe someday it will save my day.

By: Jessica Sideways

Jessica Sideways — Sat, 26 Dec 2009 00:19:21 +0000

Yeah… I think a few of the other features in 2.9 are better, to be honest.

By: Mary

Mary — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 23:00:41 +0000

I hate WordPress. I hate programs where people assume that everyone is computer savvy. I now cannot view my website at all. When I click on my link to my website all I get is WordPress page.

Hate this, want to get out, don’t know, no response from WordPress on how to get out.

Bad bad bad

By: Mark Jaquith

Mark Jaquith — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 06:41:36 +0000

The impetus for the feature (I opened the ticket, 2+ years ago) was Robert Hoekman Jr's book Designing the Obvious. One of the common issues he brings up is the constant questioning of user's intentions. "Are you sure you want to delete this post?" This "AYS" (Are You Sure) is there to prevent mistakes. But it's rare for someone to errantly click on a "Delete" link or button. It's annoying and a little bit patronizing to question every deletion they attempt just to prevent that rare mistake. "Undo" is a more elegant solution. In the case of a mistake, you can intervene and correct it. It also has the benefit of enabling restoration of content you did mean to delete, but then later changed your mind about. That wasn't possible with the "Are you sure?" paradigm. As linked before, you can disable the Trash altogether by putting this in your wp-config.php: define('EMPTY_TRASH_DAYS', 0 );

I feel that my relationship with the good people at WordPress has altered along similar lines. Permanently altered. Except that I am not obligated to give them money. So perhaps this is a rather incongruous metaphor.

Free/Libre Open Source Software like WordPress is about as close to the opposite of governmental force as you can get. Everything we do is through voluntary cooperation. Our license is designed to give you the power. I hope that you do consider this metaphor to be incongruous... if you consider it applicable, something is horribly wrong.

By: News Writer

News Writer — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 00:39:21 +0000

Not sure but this hatred of the trash process sounds like a personal problem to me.

By: timethief

timethief — Thu, 24 Dec 2009 00:08:53 +0000

Thanks for the good read. It’s always a good to hear from those who don’t share my opinions and who have what it takes to blog theirs.

Whilst I tend to be a very decisive person I also help those who are quite new to blogging settle in. They frequently make mistakes when it comes to deletions. IMHO they will have occasion to make use of this feature and be able to fish their accidental and/or inappropriate deletions out of the trash.

I’m also the “don’t sweat the small stuff” type. Although I may not need to use this double delete “trash” feature or other wordpress features, others will, so I choose to direct my energy to more productive channels.

Best wishes for a happy holiday season and a healthy and prosperous new year.

By: geraint

geraint — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 23:12:30 +0000

Slow news day?

By: Network Geek

Network Geek — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 23:00:41 +0000

Um, yeah, maybe this is too, oh, I don't know, "obvious", but I think he might have been being ironic or possibly sarcastic. Think maybe it's a possibility? Or don't you get that around here?

By: Hippy Randall

Hippy Randall — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 19:46:45 +0000

I am sure that there will be a way to disable the trash at some point. And, wow you stretched that Senate metaphor so far that it probably qualifies for a federal bailout! It’s not as if you were asked to give your trashed items to the wordpress devs.

By: Aaron Siegel

Aaron Siegel — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 19:03:34 +0000

As long as you don’t accidentally delete forever, but human error is inevitable I suppose. All I know is this … I must speak to your mother of mercy in private about my sins.

By: Dave Winer

Dave Winer — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 18:52:31 +0000

My guess, though not based on any information, is that this feature is there as a hacker defense.

I learned this lesson back in the early 80s, when I ran a BBS out of my living room. It was always getting hacked and of course they’d delete all the posts and add one of their own saying something like “We own your ass.”

FInally I realized the best defense against this was to not interface the real deleting code over the modem, that I’d only allow the messages to be *really* deleted from the console in my living room. It worked. They eventually lost interest in finding holes in my security when the messages they deleted magically reappeared shortly after I closed the latest hole they discovered.

By: Matt Sainsbury

Matt Sainsbury — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 18:46:35 +0000

I’ve stupidly lost enough data I spent hours creating to know why this is a good feature. Although it’s perfectly fine to want something different, I think it’s unfair on the hardworking WordPress team to say that they think “it’s all a game”, or to compare them to some inefficient political thingy. They work incredibly hard on making something you get for free. They have to do what the majority of users need/want, and I’m sure not so many people can / have the ability to delete something with military-commander-who-has-to-press-the-big-red-button-to-detonate-the-A-bomb accuracy.

By: Ted

Ted — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 18:32:05 +0000

It’s nothing like the Senate, because if you don’t like a change made by the WordPress team, you can either A) modify the code yourself to alter the change, or B) look for a plugin to alter the behavior.

When the Senate passes something you don’t agree with, your only options are 1) move to another country, or 2) wait for a change in party control and possibly see the repeal of said law.

By: Jim

Jim — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 18:29:52 +0000

Wow, split semantic hairs much? Are you aware that you can disable the Trash function by adding a definition line to your configuration file? Just seems to me like you’re making much ado about nothing. A lot of us like the fact that if we accidentally delete something (a mis-click I’ve made on several occasions) – comment, post, whatever – it’s not gone forever.

By: Lloyd Budd

Lloyd Budd — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 18:23:48 +0000

Edward, is it really worse than the doubt in the sincerity of your actions being so explicit? “Are you sure?”

In response to Michael Hartford, http://codex.wordpress.org/Editing_wp-config.php#Empty_Trash

By: Permanently Deleted — Matt Mullenweg

Permanently Deleted — Matt Mullenweg — Wed, 23 Dec 2009 18:02:21 +0000

[...] feature creates repercussions and consequences. Like the Senate, it’s all a game to them.” Permanently Deleted : Edward Champion’s Reluctant Habits. Hat tip: Joe Clark. ¶ « Stealth [...]

By: Michael Hartford

Michael Hartford — Tue, 22 Dec 2009 03:30:54 +0000

There’s probably a plugin for that; if there isn’t one now, there should be one soon–that’s the beauty of WP’s open architecture. And if there’s not one really soon, let me know; I’m going to try to upgrade this weekend, and I’ll take a look at the hooks in the delete routine and come up with something.

By: Levi

Levi — Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:29:18 +0000

407 draft posts?