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		<title>By: tim</title>
		<link>http://www.edrants.com/roundup-112/comment-page-1/#comment-198581</link>
		<dc:creator>tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Mar 2007 11:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>um where does josh ferris say that he&#039;s just discovered the hold steady? he&#039;s talking abt them bcz they&#039;re touring + he likes them. he could have been up on craig finn since lifter puller for all you know. but good work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>um where does josh ferris say that he&#8217;s just discovered the hold steady? he&#8217;s talking abt them bcz they&#8217;re touring + he likes them. he could have been up on craig finn since lifter puller for all you know. but good work.</p>
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		<title>By: milk man</title>
		<link>http://www.edrants.com/roundup-112/comment-page-1/#comment-198343</link>
		<dc:creator>milk man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 23:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I think Baudrillard faked his own death and the took over the identity of another man named Jean Baudrillard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I think Baudrillard faked his own death and the took over the identity of another man named Jean Baudrillard.</p>
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		<title>By: milk man</title>
		<link>http://www.edrants.com/roundup-112/comment-page-1/#comment-198342</link>
		<dc:creator>milk man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 23:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Baudrillard faked his death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Baudrillard faked his death.</p>
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		<title>By: May Barber</title>
		<link>http://www.edrants.com/roundup-112/comment-page-1/#comment-198283</link>
		<dc:creator>May Barber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 20:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, you&#039;re really jumping to conclusions on that NBCC panel. I didn&#039;t give a shit, but because this panel person spoke up, I took a look for myself, at the panel, at the comments and at Ms. Weiner&#039;s blog post.

First, Ms. Weiner is reacting not to the panel, as you are, but to that obviously ridiculous post by this McAfee woman.

Second, the panel is set up as asking questions about the exact issues you’re complaining about where in this list: “Why do critics review genre fiction so condescendingly? Why does genre fiction get so little critical attention? Who are the hacks, and who are the pros, and how do we tell them apart â€“ and do literary critics have the skills to do it?” Where from that list do you get a message that they’re signaling genre fiction has no literary worth? If anything the list is implicitly critical of the job critics do of sorting through the genre works, and not critical of the work itself.

Last, that panel has a genre writer (Mosley), an editor/reviewer at a genre friendly pub (EW) and an editor at the most comprehensive reviewing source that must review more genre works than any other publication (PW). 

How can you possibly have a beef with that? Are you confusing that one poster’s message with the purposes of the panel?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, you&#8217;re really jumping to conclusions on that NBCC panel. I didn&#8217;t give a shit, but because this panel person spoke up, I took a look for myself, at the panel, at the comments and at Ms. Weiner&#8217;s blog post.</p>
<p>First, Ms. Weiner is reacting not to the panel, as you are, but to that obviously ridiculous post by this McAfee woman.</p>
<p>Second, the panel is set up as asking questions about the exact issues you’re complaining about where in this list: “Why do critics review genre fiction so condescendingly? Why does genre fiction get so little critical attention? Who are the hacks, and who are the pros, and how do we tell them apart â€“ and do literary critics have the skills to do it?” Where from that list do you get a message that they’re signaling genre fiction has no literary worth? If anything the list is implicitly critical of the job critics do of sorting through the genre works, and not critical of the work itself.</p>
<p>Last, that panel has a genre writer (Mosley), an editor/reviewer at a genre friendly pub (EW) and an editor at the most comprehensive reviewing source that must review more genre works than any other publication (PW). </p>
<p>How can you possibly have a beef with that? Are you confusing that one poster’s message with the purposes of the panel?</p>
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		<title>By: May Barber</title>
		<link>http://www.edrants.com/roundup-112/comment-page-1/#comment-198281</link>
		<dc:creator>May Barber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 20:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;May: Examine the lyrics to “Losing My Edge.” You’re missing the irony.&quot;

That&#039;s the point isn&#039;t it? I (we) miss it, you get it. That&#039;s the (sub) text of your whole blog. It&#039;s what makes you fascinating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;May: Examine the lyrics to “Losing My Edge.” You’re missing the irony.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the point isn&#8217;t it? I (we) miss it, you get it. That&#8217;s the (sub) text of your whole blog. It&#8217;s what makes you fascinating.</p>
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		<title>By: Rake</title>
		<link>http://www.edrants.com/roundup-112/comment-page-1/#comment-198276</link>
		<dc:creator>Rake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 20:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ferris is spot on about Okk River.

Here&#039;s an earnest question: Why isn&#039;t Ike Reilly even half as critically adored as The Hold Steady? (See also Menomena v. TV On the Radio.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ferris is spot on about Okk River.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s an earnest question: Why isn&#8217;t Ike Reilly even half as critically adored as The Hold Steady? (See also Menomena v. TV On the Radio.)</p>
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		<title>By: Reagan Arthur</title>
		<link>http://www.edrants.com/roundup-112/comment-page-1/#comment-198269</link>
		<dc:creator>Reagan Arthur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 19:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As one of the particpants in tomorrow&#039;s wankery, I&#039;m not exactly impartial, but I have to admire the way you&#039;ve willfully misread and pre-judged not just the panel&#039;s topic but its actual contents.  I&#039;m grateful, as you&#039;ve saved me the trouble of preparing or showing up -- I&#039;ve got a lot to do, and  the weather here in New York is pretty crummy this week.  

I&#039;m just not sure how you take the questions &quot; Why do critics review genre fiction so condescendingly? Why does genre fiction get so little critical attention? Who are the hacks, and who are the pros, and how do we tell them apart -- and do literary critics have the skills to do it?&quot; as anything other than OPEN to genre,  and WILLING to address the disparities in review attention.  I would imagine that someone who reads across genres would be glad to know that the NBCC is considering this sort of issue -- but then I&#039;m at a disadvantage: I haven&#039;t heard the panel discussion yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As one of the particpants in tomorrow&#8217;s wankery, I&#8217;m not exactly impartial, but I have to admire the way you&#8217;ve willfully misread and pre-judged not just the panel&#8217;s topic but its actual contents.  I&#8217;m grateful, as you&#8217;ve saved me the trouble of preparing or showing up &#8212; I&#8217;ve got a lot to do, and  the weather here in New York is pretty crummy this week.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m just not sure how you take the questions &#8221; Why do critics review genre fiction so condescendingly? Why does genre fiction get so little critical attention? Who are the hacks, and who are the pros, and how do we tell them apart &#8212; and do literary critics have the skills to do it?&#8221; as anything other than OPEN to genre,  and WILLING to address the disparities in review attention.  I would imagine that someone who reads across genres would be glad to know that the NBCC is considering this sort of issue &#8212; but then I&#8217;m at a disadvantage: I haven&#8217;t heard the panel discussion yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
		<link>http://www.edrants.com/roundup-112/comment-page-1/#comment-198268</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 19:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Joshua Ferris discovers the Hold Steady two years after everybody else has. Next year, Ferris plans on raving about how great LCD Soundsystem’s “Losing My Edge” is.&quot;

Well! Look who&#039;s hipper-than-thou!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Joshua Ferris discovers the Hold Steady two years after everybody else has. Next year, Ferris plans on raving about how great LCD Soundsystem’s “Losing My Edge” is.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well! Look who&#8217;s hipper-than-thou!</p>
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		<title>By: DrMabuse</title>
		<link>http://www.edrants.com/roundup-112/comment-page-1/#comment-198265</link>
		<dc:creator>DrMabuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 18:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May: Examine the lyrics to &quot;Losing My Edge.&quot;  You&#039;re missing the irony.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May: Examine the lyrics to &#8220;Losing My Edge.&#8221;  You&#8217;re missing the irony.</p>
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		<title>By: May Barber</title>
		<link>http://www.edrants.com/roundup-112/comment-page-1/#comment-198264</link>
		<dc:creator>May Barber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 18:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve never heard of this Hold Steady band, but I think that Nirvana group is someone to watch.

 What I love about you is that you can get on your high horse about close-minded book critics (asses, no doubt, I agree with you there) and then display your sneering hipster superiority about someone else being late to the acclaimed music game all in the same post. You fascinate me, I admit it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never heard of this Hold Steady band, but I think that Nirvana group is someone to watch.</p>
<p> What I love about you is that you can get on your high horse about close-minded book critics (asses, no doubt, I agree with you there) and then display your sneering hipster superiority about someone else being late to the acclaimed music game all in the same post. You fascinate me, I admit it.</p>
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