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		<title>By: Margo Rabb: The Blogosphere Hates Me! Oh Noes! : Edward Champion&#8217;s Reluctant Habits</title>
		<link>http://www.edrants.com/roundup-238/comment-page-1/#comment-246202</link>
		<dc:creator>Margo Rabb: The Blogosphere Hates Me! Oh Noes! : Edward Champion&#8217;s Reluctant Habits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Rabb&#8217;s now throwing a pity party over the controversy that her YA article generated, even tossing around uncited assertions that bloggers have threatened [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Rabb&#8217;s now throwing a pity party over the controversy that her YA article generated, even tossing around uncited assertions that bloggers have threatened [...]</p>
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		<title>By: maitresse</title>
		<link>http://www.edrants.com/roundup-238/comment-page-1/#comment-246190</link>
		<dc:creator>maitresse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 00:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to say more about Thirlwell but have too much else to read right now... I do look forward to seeing what Dan Green has to say, though!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to say more about Thirlwell but have too much else to read right now&#8230; I do look forward to seeing what Dan Green has to say, though!</p>
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		<title>By: JoeBu</title>
		<link>http://www.edrants.com/roundup-238/comment-page-1/#comment-246187</link>
		<dc:creator>JoeBu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 21:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice mention:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/jacketcopy/2008/07/the-other-bat-m.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice mention:</p>
<p><a href="http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/jacketcopy/2008/07/the-other-bat-m.html" rel="nofollow">http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/jacketcopy/2008/07/the-other-bat-m.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Colleen</title>
		<link>http://www.edrants.com/roundup-238/comment-page-1/#comment-246184</link>
		<dc:creator>Colleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll have a Q&amp;A up with Margo later today, Ed. She&#039;s actually fine with YA - what puzzles her is that it has been an issue for so many others. What is weird about her last book too is that several chapters were published in adult lit mags, etc. so there was never a hint that it would go YA until the marketing folks decided it would. It was a surprise as she had never thought of the book that way.

There is a A LOT of talk about this in the kidlitosphere right now. The YA vs adult issue is a crazy complicated big deal as there are so many so-called adult authors who do look down on YA.

I&#039;ll be honest - I get flak just for reviewing YA for Bookslut; it&#039;s like I&#039;m not good enough to cover the adult books.

Very frustrating.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll have a Q&amp;A up with Margo later today, Ed. She&#8217;s actually fine with YA &#8211; what puzzles her is that it has been an issue for so many others. What is weird about her last book too is that several chapters were published in adult lit mags, etc. so there was never a hint that it would go YA until the marketing folks decided it would. It was a surprise as she had never thought of the book that way.</p>
<p>There is a A LOT of talk about this in the kidlitosphere right now. The YA vs adult issue is a crazy complicated big deal as there are so many so-called adult authors who do look down on YA.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be honest &#8211; I get flak just for reviewing YA for Bookslut; it&#8217;s like I&#8217;m not good enough to cover the adult books.</p>
<p>Very frustrating.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Green</title>
		<link>http://www.edrants.com/roundup-238/comment-page-1/#comment-246183</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Green</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve only just gotten Thirlwell&#039;s book, but I do intend to put up a review post about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve only just gotten Thirlwell&#8217;s book, but I do intend to put up a review post about it.</p>
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		<title>By: DrMabuse</title>
		<link>http://www.edrants.com/roundup-238/comment-page-1/#comment-246180</link>
		<dc:creator>DrMabuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fixed that for you, Brian.  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fixed that for you, Brian.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.edrants.com/roundup-238/comment-page-1/#comment-246179</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking forward to seeing what you&#039;ve come up with, re: Save Segundo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking forward to seeing what you&#8217;ve come up with, re: Save Segundo.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian F.</title>
		<link>http://www.edrants.com/roundup-238/comment-page-1/#comment-246178</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, never mind. I can&#039;t get it to work. Cut, paste, you get the idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, never mind. I can&#8217;t get it to work. Cut, paste, you get the idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian F.</title>
		<link>http://www.edrants.com/roundup-238/comment-page-1/#comment-246177</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My bad. Sorry,here&#039;s the full link: http://www.philly.com/inquirer/magazine/20080430_Karen_Heller__These_
book_covers_say_women_are_dumb</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My bad. Sorry,here&#8217;s the full link: <a href="http://www.philly.com/inquirer/magazine/20080430_Karen_Heller__These_" rel="nofollow">http://www.philly.com/inquirer/magazine/20080430_Karen_Heller__These_</a><br />
book_covers_say_women_are_dumb</p>
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		<title>By: Brian F.</title>
		<link>http://www.edrants.com/roundup-238/comment-page-1/#comment-246176</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmmm...  I guess that&#039;s not how I read the Rabb article at all.  I read it as a defense of YA as a legitimate form of writing and not the stigmatized bastard child many people think it to be.  In my MFA program, to utter the words &quot;young adult&quot; in relation to anything you were working on was tantamount to saying you thought that Dan Brown fellow was pretty darned good.

Sure, Rabb apparently admits that she had a visceral reaction when she first learned of the sale of her book, and this reaction was supported by the reactions of other writers with similar misgivings about what is ultimately just a marketing ploy.  (It should be noted that, prior to HEARTBREAK, Rabb had published several middle grade books so to say that she abhors the idea of writing for kids would be inaccurate.)  I suppose my read on this article is not that she&#039;s ungrateful for having her novel published, it&#039;s just that she realized she needed to expand her thoughts on how others might view her work.  Sometimes, writers get in their head that they&#039;ve written &quot;this&quot; kind of book or &quot;that&quot; kind and they forget that an audience might see things differently. I&#039;m guilty of that myself.

I think some of the best YA out there today was stuff where the author wasn&#039;t TRYING to write for the teen audience but the just, as Sittenfeld said, wrote what they wanted and let the publisher figure it out.  Rabb&#039;s book is very good and if her publisher decides to release an &quot;adult&quot; version, it can only help.

Anyway, if you want to read an absolutely abhorrent article that not merely dances on the line of cluelessness but ultimately invites cluelessness to tango, followed by a rohypnol-laden evening of unbridled sex, check out &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.philly.com/inquirer/columnists/karen_heller/20080430_Karen_Heller__These_book_covers_say_women_are_dumb.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this link&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmmm&#8230;  I guess that&#8217;s not how I read the Rabb article at all.  I read it as a defense of YA as a legitimate form of writing and not the stigmatized bastard child many people think it to be.  In my MFA program, to utter the words &#8220;young adult&#8221; in relation to anything you were working on was tantamount to saying you thought that Dan Brown fellow was pretty darned good.</p>
<p>Sure, Rabb apparently admits that she had a visceral reaction when she first learned of the sale of her book, and this reaction was supported by the reactions of other writers with similar misgivings about what is ultimately just a marketing ploy.  (It should be noted that, prior to HEARTBREAK, Rabb had published several middle grade books so to say that she abhors the idea of writing for kids would be inaccurate.)  I suppose my read on this article is not that she&#8217;s ungrateful for having her novel published, it&#8217;s just that she realized she needed to expand her thoughts on how others might view her work.  Sometimes, writers get in their head that they&#8217;ve written &#8220;this&#8221; kind of book or &#8220;that&#8221; kind and they forget that an audience might see things differently. I&#8217;m guilty of that myself.</p>
<p>I think some of the best YA out there today was stuff where the author wasn&#8217;t TRYING to write for the teen audience but the just, as Sittenfeld said, wrote what they wanted and let the publisher figure it out.  Rabb&#8217;s book is very good and if her publisher decides to release an &#8220;adult&#8221; version, it can only help.</p>
<p>Anyway, if you want to read an absolutely abhorrent article that not merely dances on the line of cluelessness but ultimately invites cluelessness to tango, followed by a rohypnol-laden evening of unbridled sex, check out <a href="http://www.philly.com/inquirer/columnists/karen_heller/20080430_Karen_Heller__These_book_covers_say_women_are_dumb.html" rel="nofollow">this link</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Czobit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Czobit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What? The Medium is the best column in the Sunday magazine. I&#039;ve caught up on so many web trends from a decade ago. It&#039;s good learning!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What? The Medium is the best column in the Sunday magazine. I&#8217;ve caught up on so many web trends from a decade ago. It&#8217;s good learning!</p>
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