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	<title>Comments on: The Bat Segundo Show: Charlie Kaufman</title>
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		<title>By: Bookninja &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Round up</title>
		<link>http://www.edrants.com/the-bat-segundo-show-charlie-kaufman/comment-page-1/#comment-248473</link>
		<dc:creator>Bookninja &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Round up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Charlie Kaufman over thinks [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Steven Augustine</title>
		<link>http://www.edrants.com/the-bat-segundo-show-charlie-kaufman/comment-page-1/#comment-248472</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Augustine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 08:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, but, on the other hand, Kaufman goes on to admit to the &quot;clock&quot; idea, for example; saying &quot;it&#039;s just stuff I stuck in there&quot;, later in the interview, is a pretty disingenuous way of referring to some interesting, and funny, ideas in a shooting script that didn&#039;t just function as a box for random &quot;stuff&quot; to pile up in, in a random order. 

If Kaufman isn&#039;t an &quot;idea man&quot;, which screen writer is? Whether or not his rate of idea creation is &quot;slow&quot;, as he says, there are more *new* ideas (or subversions of old ones) per page in a Kaufman script than any Hollywood scriptwriter&#039;s work (of the past thirty years, including the Coens) I can think of. That&#039;s why I *still* laugh my brains out whenever I watch &quot;Adaptation&quot;: the acting and cinematography are fine but it&#039;s all those fresh *ideas* that make the movie a gem. 

Just because Kaufman chooses not to see himself as an Idea Man (or chooses to be difficult) doesn&#039;t mean that it&#039;s not a fair question. The only quibble I have with Ed&#039;s half of this interview is his tendency to throw the interviewees into the deep end with the first question of the interview, whereas a little stealth might work a lot better. Ie, warm them up (and win them over) with genial chitchat and a few softballs first, possibly (you can edit these out later-laugh). If you spot a telltale hair on the tweed, for example, Ed, ask if they&#039;re cat fanciers...

The first thing Kaufman says is, &quot;This was a lot more energy than I expected&quot; and that was probably more of a warning than a winking quip. Disagreeing with Ed&#039;s premise was, perhaps, Kaufman&#039;s instinctive way of putting the emergency brake on Ed&#039;s Peterbilt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, but, on the other hand, Kaufman goes on to admit to the &#8220;clock&#8221; idea, for example; saying &#8220;it&#8217;s just stuff I stuck in there&#8221;, later in the interview, is a pretty disingenuous way of referring to some interesting, and funny, ideas in a shooting script that didn&#8217;t just function as a box for random &#8220;stuff&#8221; to pile up in, in a random order. </p>
<p>If Kaufman isn&#8217;t an &#8220;idea man&#8221;, which screen writer is? Whether or not his rate of idea creation is &#8220;slow&#8221;, as he says, there are more *new* ideas (or subversions of old ones) per page in a Kaufman script than any Hollywood scriptwriter&#8217;s work (of the past thirty years, including the Coens) I can think of. That&#8217;s why I *still* laugh my brains out whenever I watch &#8220;Adaptation&#8221;: the acting and cinematography are fine but it&#8217;s all those fresh *ideas* that make the movie a gem. </p>
<p>Just because Kaufman chooses not to see himself as an Idea Man (or chooses to be difficult) doesn&#8217;t mean that it&#8217;s not a fair question. The only quibble I have with Ed&#8217;s half of this interview is his tendency to throw the interviewees into the deep end with the first question of the interview, whereas a little stealth might work a lot better. Ie, warm them up (and win them over) with genial chitchat and a few softballs first, possibly (you can edit these out later-laugh). If you spot a telltale hair on the tweed, for example, Ed, ask if they&#8217;re cat fanciers&#8230;</p>
<p>The first thing Kaufman says is, &#8220;This was a lot more energy than I expected&#8221; and that was probably more of a warning than a winking quip. Disagreeing with Ed&#8217;s premise was, perhaps, Kaufman&#8217;s instinctive way of putting the emergency brake on Ed&#8217;s Peterbilt.</p>
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		<title>By: brandon</title>
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		<dc:creator>brandon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 07:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s a limited theater? Do they not sell popcorn? ;) Just ribbin&#039; ya. Take care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s a limited theater? Do they not sell popcorn? <img src='http://www.edrants.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  Just ribbin&#8217; ya. Take care.</p>
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		<title>By: The Naked Cat</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Naked Cat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 00:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>repasted from the comments section of BatSegundo.com: 

Ed, some (I hope constructive) criticism: it seems like there is a repetitive theme in these interviews of you asking the interview subjects very long questions regarding recurring symbols, possible references to obscure prior works, and other hidden meanings in the works under discussion, and the authors responding almost uniformly that they create their work intuitively and weren’t aware of what you are talking about, and haven’t intentionally placed these symbols in their work and thus they cannot comment on the patterns of repeating symbols which you you have found. 

It just seems to me at this point that after this many replies of this sort that this line of questioning should be de-emphasized, as it is dominating the time alotted for your interviews and turning opportunities for discussion into semi- (and sometimes fully) adversarial confrontations wherein the interview subjects have to repeatedly tell you that what you believe you have observed in the subtexts and semiotics of their work was not intended, and doesn’t seem to them related to what they were intending with the work.

It seems to me that perhaps if you tried some new avenues of questioning that it might open up your interviews to more productive and illuminating themes of discussion, rather than these repetitive confrontations which seem to focus the interviews more on your own interpretations of what the authors have created than on what the authors themselves have to say. I don’t believe this is intentional, but it is getting sort of annoying, particularly in examples such as the recent Mike Leigh clusterfuck and most of this Kaufman interview, which was a frustrating listening experience, as it felt like a real missed opportunity for two intelligent fellas to find common ground, but instead turned into you attempting one failed analysis of the film after another while Kaufman exasperatedly attempted to steer you off of your serial wild goose chases.

I think you’re a skilled interviewer and intelligent guy, just wanted to speak up on this as it feels like it’s getting in the way of what your show is when it’s at its best.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>repasted from the comments section of BatSegundo.com: </p>
<p>Ed, some (I hope constructive) criticism: it seems like there is a repetitive theme in these interviews of you asking the interview subjects very long questions regarding recurring symbols, possible references to obscure prior works, and other hidden meanings in the works under discussion, and the authors responding almost uniformly that they create their work intuitively and weren’t aware of what you are talking about, and haven’t intentionally placed these symbols in their work and thus they cannot comment on the patterns of repeating symbols which you you have found. </p>
<p>It just seems to me at this point that after this many replies of this sort that this line of questioning should be de-emphasized, as it is dominating the time alotted for your interviews and turning opportunities for discussion into semi- (and sometimes fully) adversarial confrontations wherein the interview subjects have to repeatedly tell you that what you believe you have observed in the subtexts and semiotics of their work was not intended, and doesn’t seem to them related to what they were intending with the work.</p>
<p>It seems to me that perhaps if you tried some new avenues of questioning that it might open up your interviews to more productive and illuminating themes of discussion, rather than these repetitive confrontations which seem to focus the interviews more on your own interpretations of what the authors have created than on what the authors themselves have to say. I don’t believe this is intentional, but it is getting sort of annoying, particularly in examples such as the recent Mike Leigh clusterfuck and most of this Kaufman interview, which was a frustrating listening experience, as it felt like a real missed opportunity for two intelligent fellas to find common ground, but instead turned into you attempting one failed analysis of the film after another while Kaufman exasperatedly attempted to steer you off of your serial wild goose chases.</p>
<p>I think you’re a skilled interviewer and intelligent guy, just wanted to speak up on this as it feels like it’s getting in the way of what your show is when it’s at its best.</p>
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		<title>By: DrMabuse</title>
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		<dc:creator>DrMabuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 04:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Except, of course, when the funny little jokes are the cause of masturbatory overindulgence?  Did you see Anthony Lane&#039;s interesting take on the film?  I read this long after conducting the interview, but he seemed to observe many of the same things that I brought up in this interview.

http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/cinema/2008/11/03/081103crci_cinema_lane</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except, of course, when the funny little jokes are the cause of masturbatory overindulgence?  Did you see Anthony Lane&#8217;s interesting take on the film?  I read this long after conducting the interview, but he seemed to observe many of the same things that I brought up in this interview.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/cinema/2008/11/03/081103crci_cinema_lane" rel="nofollow">http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/cinema/2008/11/03/081103crci_cinema_lane</a></p>
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		<title>By: Wells</title>
		<link>http://www.edrants.com/the-bat-segundo-show-charlie-kaufman/comment-page-1/#comment-248454</link>
		<dc:creator>Wells</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 04:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahhhh, may Kaufman&#039;s funny little jokes be the death of masturbatory over-analysis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahhhh, may Kaufman&#8217;s funny little jokes be the death of masturbatory over-analysis.</p>
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