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		<title>By: Meredith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meredith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Mar 2010 13:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: etcetera &#8212; Generosity Review</title>
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		<dc:creator>etcetera &#8212; Generosity Review</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] take: Good ideas, horrible writing.  And in response to criticism of his review, Wood&#8217;s adds: (via Bookdwarf) But it is very hard to read, let along forgive, a novel that has lines like: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] take: Good ideas, horrible writing.  And in response to criticism of his review, Wood&#8217;s adds: (via Bookdwarf) But it is very hard to read, let along forgive, a novel that has lines like: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Risk Delight &#171; Corduroy Books</title>
		<link>http://www.edrants.com/wooden-disposition/comment-page-1/#comment-258555</link>
		<dc:creator>Risk Delight &#171; Corduroy Books</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 15:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a pretty glove-free and vicious razor-dashing from James Woods in the New Yorker, and, so far, the best refutation I&#8217;ve read is at the consistently phenomenal Edward Champion&#8217;s Reluctant Habits&#8230;which piece, by Champion himself, earns a response [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a pretty glove-free and vicious razor-dashing from James Woods in the New Yorker, and, so far, the best refutation I&#8217;ve read is at the consistently phenomenal Edward Champion&#8217;s Reluctant Habits&#8230;which piece, by Champion himself, earns a response [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bookdwarf &#187; It&#8217;s a Link Sort of Day</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bookdwarf &#187; It&#8217;s a Link Sort of Day</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 17:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Wood responds to Ed&#8217;s response to Wood&#8217;s review of Richard Power&#8217;s Generosity in the New Yorker. I disagreed [...]</description>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 18:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed--

Of course I&#039;m not absolutely certain of how Powers wishes to be read; I can&#039;t read his mind, only his books. And from those books, of which I&#039;ve read 4, I see a writer who very earnestly, often excitingly, attempts to express the relevance of complex scientific concepts to our everyday lives. He frequently does this, I think we can all agree, by concocting interpersonal plots that show &quot;normal&quot; people engaging with scientifically-minded types. And with all due respect to the very thoughtful graf you excerpt from the interview, I don&#039;t always see evidence of his claims on the page. I don&#039;t know what else to say other than his language occasionally bores me, his plot mechanics seem fairly rote, and his dialogue can feel terribly contrived. For all your belief that Powers is somehow doing something thematically or representationally subversive with his language, his books, particularly the new one, never give me that sense.

I am surprised, however, to see how many people seem to agree with this. I thought Powers was more widely revered coming off &quot;The Echo Maker.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed&#8211;</p>
<p>Of course I&#8217;m not absolutely certain of how Powers wishes to be read; I can&#8217;t read his mind, only his books. And from those books, of which I&#8217;ve read 4, I see a writer who very earnestly, often excitingly, attempts to express the relevance of complex scientific concepts to our everyday lives. He frequently does this, I think we can all agree, by concocting interpersonal plots that show &#8220;normal&#8221; people engaging with scientifically-minded types. And with all due respect to the very thoughtful graf you excerpt from the interview, I don&#8217;t always see evidence of his claims on the page. I don&#8217;t know what else to say other than his language occasionally bores me, his plot mechanics seem fairly rote, and his dialogue can feel terribly contrived. For all your belief that Powers is somehow doing something thematically or representationally subversive with his language, his books, particularly the new one, never give me that sense.</p>
<p>I am surprised, however, to see how many people seem to agree with this. I thought Powers was more widely revered coming off &#8220;The Echo Maker.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: DrMabuse</title>
		<link>http://www.edrants.com/wooden-disposition/comment-page-1/#comment-258271</link>
		<dc:creator>DrMabuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 13:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nigel: I know you&#039;re often a fan of hobgoblins and I&#039;ve done my best to steer you clear, but Wood has a more capacious mind than is reflected in this piece.  Hence, this response, reflecting disappointment after Wood&#039;s pledge to conquer his own innate prejudices.  

John: Are you absolutely certain that&#039;s the way Powers would wish his fiction to be read?  (And does any author abdicate his rights when a book goes out?  That&#039;s one of the larger points of &lt;i&gt;Generosity&lt;/i&gt;.)  But it&#039;s been there all along. From &lt;a href=&quot;http://clogic.eserver.org/2-2/williams.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a 1988 Powers interview&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;My idea is that successful writing advances as its own, complex, living hierarchy, one that mirrors the kind of complex hierarchy that we living beings are. We exist at the cellular level or even the nucleic or chemical level, at the level of organs and systems, at the level of the complete organism, and at the social level. All of these different levels have their analogies in a good story, levels from diction on up to meaning, and in a good story, all these levels advance simultaneously, in concert. We may not even be aware of these phenomena as we read, but in great fiction, all the parts and subassemblies of creation are integral and mutually supporting. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

So reading Powers exclusively for character and story, as Wood has clearly done here, and &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; seeking out this &quot;complex, living hierarchy&quot; is more than just a misread. It reflects a decidedly limited definition of how fiction might work (assuming that you make the mistake of approaching it in a functionalist manner).  If your scope of fiction is limited to character and realist/modernist fiction and you profess to fully understand a field outside the yoke, then I&#039;d say the critiques against the reviewer are warranted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nigel: I know you&#8217;re often a fan of hobgoblins and I&#8217;ve done my best to steer you clear, but Wood has a more capacious mind than is reflected in this piece.  Hence, this response, reflecting disappointment after Wood&#8217;s pledge to conquer his own innate prejudices.  </p>
<p>John: Are you absolutely certain that&#8217;s the way Powers would wish his fiction to be read?  (And does any author abdicate his rights when a book goes out?  That&#8217;s one of the larger points of <i>Generosity</i>.)  But it&#8217;s been there all along. From <a href="http://clogic.eserver.org/2-2/williams.html" rel="nofollow">a 1988 Powers interview</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>My idea is that successful writing advances as its own, complex, living hierarchy, one that mirrors the kind of complex hierarchy that we living beings are. We exist at the cellular level or even the nucleic or chemical level, at the level of organs and systems, at the level of the complete organism, and at the social level. All of these different levels have their analogies in a good story, levels from diction on up to meaning, and in a good story, all these levels advance simultaneously, in concert. We may not even be aware of these phenomena as we read, but in great fiction, all the parts and subassemblies of creation are integral and mutually supporting. </p></blockquote>
<p>So reading Powers exclusively for character and story, as Wood has clearly done here, and <i>not</i> seeking out this &#8220;complex, living hierarchy&#8221; is more than just a misread. It reflects a decidedly limited definition of how fiction might work (assuming that you make the mistake of approaching it in a functionalist manner).  If your scope of fiction is limited to character and realist/modernist fiction and you profess to fully understand a field outside the yoke, then I&#8217;d say the critiques against the reviewer are warranted.</p>
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		<title>By: Nigel Beale</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nigel Beale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 03:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed, you&#039;re confusing woodenness with clear-headed consistency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed, you&#8217;re confusing woodenness with clear-headed consistency.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 08:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone who has come back to Powers again and again for the promise of his ideas, but, with the exception of the wonderful Galatea 2.2, has always been a little disappointed, I found Wood&#039;s piece smart and refreshing. I don&#039;t think that Powers&#039;s formal self-consciousness can excuse his tin ear, especially when it&#039;s consistent outside of the frame of this one story. And he&#039;s right to make much of the familiar math of Powers&#039;s setups--one reason I put aside Generosity halfway through was that the premise felt so worn (although that means I didn&#039;t make it to the Oprah section).

Wood certainly has blind spots (I expect he&#039;d not have much good to say about the new Lethem, which I liked a lot), but his &quot;realist&quot; ideal is a lot more flexible than he&#039;s usually given credit for. The best parts of How Fiction Works, I thought, were when he was showing how the best &quot;realist&quot; fiction is intensely self-reflexive and self-aware.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who has come back to Powers again and again for the promise of his ideas, but, with the exception of the wonderful Galatea 2.2, has always been a little disappointed, I found Wood&#8217;s piece smart and refreshing. I don&#8217;t think that Powers&#8217;s formal self-consciousness can excuse his tin ear, especially when it&#8217;s consistent outside of the frame of this one story. And he&#8217;s right to make much of the familiar math of Powers&#8217;s setups&#8211;one reason I put aside Generosity halfway through was that the premise felt so worn (although that means I didn&#8217;t make it to the Oprah section).</p>
<p>Wood certainly has blind spots (I expect he&#8217;d not have much good to say about the new Lethem, which I liked a lot), but his &#8220;realist&#8221; ideal is a lot more flexible than he&#8217;s usually given credit for. The best parts of How Fiction Works, I thought, were when he was showing how the best &#8220;realist&#8221; fiction is intensely self-reflexive and self-aware.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 00:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dearest Sarah, 

Thanks for the salient info.</description>
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<p>Thanks for the salient info.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although Powers has been published by FSG for over a decade (GALATEA 2.2 was the first book they brought out) he&#039;s had several editors. John Glusman worked with him for a while; THE ECHO MAKER was edited by Eric Chinski. Curiously, GENEROSITY&#039;s editor was Frances Coady, the publisher of the paperback imprint Picador who also edits a select number of authors (Paul Auster &amp; Siri Hustvedt the most notable) for Henry Holt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although Powers has been published by FSG for over a decade (GALATEA 2.2 was the first book they brought out) he&#8217;s had several editors. John Glusman worked with him for a while; THE ECHO MAKER was edited by Eric Chinski. Curiously, GENEROSITY&#8217;s editor was Frances Coady, the publisher of the paperback imprint Picador who also edits a select number of authors (Paul Auster &amp; Siri Hustvedt the most notable) for Henry Holt.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 18:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with John. RP puts forth--or seems to put forth--a desire to connect the reader with the characters. If his true motive is to &quot;not play by the rules&quot; of realist fiction and instead play with intricate imaginative plots, then, in my eyes, he fails. If his work shows more endurance and spunk and creativity with the big picture, then why not simply write creative and experimental science articles? Why try to half-ass it with these duct-taped constructions? Wood&#039;s examples of &quot;Lifetime&quot; writing was the exact sort of problem I have with RP. I sometimes wonder where the editor was in the midst of that first reading of the manuscript...Speaking of, does anyone happen to know who edits Powers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with John. RP puts forth&#8211;or seems to put forth&#8211;a desire to connect the reader with the characters. If his true motive is to &#8220;not play by the rules&#8221; of realist fiction and instead play with intricate imaginative plots, then, in my eyes, he fails. If his work shows more endurance and spunk and creativity with the big picture, then why not simply write creative and experimental science articles? Why try to half-ass it with these duct-taped constructions? Wood&#8217;s examples of &#8220;Lifetime&#8221; writing was the exact sort of problem I have with RP. I sometimes wonder where the editor was in the midst of that first reading of the manuscript&#8230;Speaking of, does anyone happen to know who edits Powers?</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t disagree more, Ed. I thought that Wood&#039;s review was, if anything, looser and less &quot;wooden&quot; than his reputation typically allows. (He also happens to share my opinion of &quot;Generosity,&quot; though that&#039;s neither here nor there.) In addition to his customary close-reading, I enjoyed his comparisons of Powers to both Musil and &quot;101 Dalmations,&quot; as well as the &quot;bullshit detector&quot; line. Not exactly gloves-off, but not at all prim and ivory-tower, either. 

But some of your attacks are unwarranted. You accuse Wood of expecting too much &quot;traditional&quot; character building of idea-obsessed Powers, but I think this is how Powers would prefer to be read. Under the science and essayistic portions of his novels, his characters and human plots are still drawn rather conservatively. I think Wood is correct when he accuses Powers of middlebrow-dom; the meta, authorial interjections throughout, which Wood indeed should have at least mentioned, are among the blandest use of that trope I&#039;ve ever read. Why should he get a free pass just for his thematic reach when he so obviously wants to engage us emotionally in his character-based sections?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t disagree more, Ed. I thought that Wood&#8217;s review was, if anything, looser and less &#8220;wooden&#8221; than his reputation typically allows. (He also happens to share my opinion of &#8220;Generosity,&#8221; though that&#8217;s neither here nor there.) In addition to his customary close-reading, I enjoyed his comparisons of Powers to both Musil and &#8220;101 Dalmations,&#8221; as well as the &#8220;bullshit detector&#8221; line. Not exactly gloves-off, but not at all prim and ivory-tower, either. </p>
<p>But some of your attacks are unwarranted. You accuse Wood of expecting too much &#8220;traditional&#8221; character building of idea-obsessed Powers, but I think this is how Powers would prefer to be read. Under the science and essayistic portions of his novels, his characters and human plots are still drawn rather conservatively. I think Wood is correct when he accuses Powers of middlebrow-dom; the meta, authorial interjections throughout, which Wood indeed should have at least mentioned, are among the blandest use of that trope I&#8217;ve ever read. Why should he get a free pass just for his thematic reach when he so obviously wants to engage us emotionally in his character-based sections?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:43:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How does one write an entire critical essay on the works of Richard Powers and fail to use the word &quot;imagination&quot; even once?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How does one write an entire critical essay on the works of Richard Powers and fail to use the word &#8220;imagination&#8221; even once?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 15:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, it could be (and has been) argued that complaining of a &quot;tin ear for dialogue&quot; and of &quot;flat&quot; characters again asks Powers to play by rules he&#039;s not terribly interested in. These complaints insist, as Wood does, that Character must be the prime mover for all fiction. The case is rarely made as to why this should be. 
(That said, I would counter-argue that Powers himself, at least in this most recent books before this one--which I haven&#039;t read--does appear to want to have it both ways.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, it could be (and has been) argued that complaining of a &#8220;tin ear for dialogue&#8221; and of &#8220;flat&#8221; characters again asks Powers to play by rules he&#8217;s not terribly interested in. These complaints insist, as Wood does, that Character must be the prime mover for all fiction. The case is rarely made as to why this should be.<br />
(That said, I would counter-argue that Powers himself, at least in this most recent books before this one&#8211;which I haven&#8217;t read&#8211;does appear to want to have it both ways.)</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 14:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed, 

As a long time reader, I must say you are a, on the whole, perspicacious reader of most fiction. But, as a fiction writer, and having read multiple RP novels (Prisoner&#039;s Dilemma, Plowing the  Dark, The Echo Maker), I have to say that RP does have a tin ear for dialogue and a sort of unbelieveable tendency to create flat and uninteresting characters. This isn&#039;t to say that he doesn&#039;t imbue them with amazing facts or put them into tough, morally chewy situations. I feel the problem with RP is not that his novels are idea-based, but that the ideas are so far-reaching and more developed than the characters who are supposed to carry these ideas through the narrative. As a reconciliation, if one wanted to grant RP a compliment, I&#039;d have to say that not many novelists are able to weave together such disparate plot strands like he does, to the point that they are absolutely unrelatable until the final page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed, </p>
<p>As a long time reader, I must say you are a, on the whole, perspicacious reader of most fiction. But, as a fiction writer, and having read multiple RP novels (Prisoner&#8217;s Dilemma, Plowing the  Dark, The Echo Maker), I have to say that RP does have a tin ear for dialogue and a sort of unbelieveable tendency to create flat and uninteresting characters. This isn&#8217;t to say that he doesn&#8217;t imbue them with amazing facts or put them into tough, morally chewy situations. I feel the problem with RP is not that his novels are idea-based, but that the ideas are so far-reaching and more developed than the characters who are supposed to carry these ideas through the narrative. As a reconciliation, if one wanted to grant RP a compliment, I&#8217;d have to say that not many novelists are able to weave together such disparate plot strands like he does, to the point that they are absolutely unrelatable until the final page.</p>
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