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  1. Richard on November 27th, 2007 3:40 pm

    Ed – while I differ with Waggish’s assessment, I don’t really think your characterization of his post is fair. I thought it was an intelligent, good-faith effort to try to explain why he wasn’t as enthused about the books as others are. I don’t think there’s any implication in his post that he wants his plots “spoon-fed”, nor do I see any need to compare him to a “snotty undergraduate” whining about Ulysses.

  2. tbeshear on November 27th, 2007 6:26 pm

    I think it helps to appreciate Gene Wolfe’s fiction if one is fond of doing puzzles. Each of his stories (that I’ve read) is a puzzle waiting to be solved. If I’m in the mood to play detective, they’re swell fun. If I’m not, they’re not.

  3. 5redpandas on November 28th, 2007 12:56 am

    Whether an academic library is in a public or private university doesn’t change the fact that they must subscribe to pricey databases like Lexis-Nexis. If those students pay tuition, why should you have free access to their resources? Those resources aren’t free, and the employees don’t work for free, but you want complete access, for free. You’ve demonstrated that it’s not that you cannot possibly gain access to the resources, your complaint is that you have to pay for them.

    Instead of complaining about your inability to sneak into the various NY university libraries (which is what you pretty much admit to doing in California), you might be better off familiarizing yourself with the databases that are available for use at home from the NYPL (with your library card barcode). There are even more databases available on site.

    http://www.nypl.org/databases/index.cfm?act=2&j=home

    There are plenty of options for New Yorkers to obtain knowledge for free- Lexis-Nexis isn’t the only (pricey) source of knowledge.

    You might want to take some time and talk to some librarians. They can enlighten you about the realities and costs of developing and maintaining a collection, which includes electronic databases.

  4. DrMabuse on November 28th, 2007 1:05 am

    Yo, 5redpandas: (1) I didn’t have to sneak into SFSU to access THEIR databases. I just walked right in as recently as seven months ago. So need need to offer a crack about the expenses of databases (been there, done that, informed). (2) I ain’t exactly shy about talking with librarians, in large part because I have a great librarian fetish. And what part of “are you more of a SIBL or Central BPL advocate” didn’t you understand? Been to both, used databases at both.

    Why should I have free access to their resources? Because there’s plenty of vacant carrels that students aren’t using, lying in wait. If you want to get all high and mighty about costs and corporate efficiency, how do you explain THAT? Maybe we should do away with the databases altogether if the kids aren’t using them so frequently, eh? Give them all the kind of ignoble ticket number you find at bakeries and have them all wait for hours!

  5. 5redpandas on November 28th, 2007 1:56 am

    I wasn’t talking about corporate efficiency and I don’t think bringing up the real costs of acquiring databases and other resources is being high and mighty. Perhaps you’d rather ignore the fact that all of those databases cost those academic institutions money (and lots of it). Yes, it sounds like you want special privileges to use resources that other people have to pay for. Plus your argument that you should be able to use them for free simply because the seats are sometimes empty doesn’t make any sense. They don’t let you use the exercise bikes in a gym for free just because someone isn’t using it at that moment, and they don’t get rid of them unless absolutely nobody uses them. Actually, libraries are frequently faced with having to decide which databases and journals to subscribe to because of the high costs.

    Did you find the databases available at SIBL or BPL lacking? Is Lexis the only way to find the information you need? If so then perhaps paying $50 a year to access it would be a wise investment on your part.

    I also don’t think that my suggesting that it’s not unreasonable for an academic library to ask non-students for a fee to use their resources should characterize me as someone who wants to take away resources from students because they’re not being used (according to your observations). That has to do with information literacy and librarians in those libraries probably need to do more outreach to students and teach them how to use all the resources available to them.

    I really do care about these issues from the user side and the librarian side. Do you mind if I show this conversation to my professor? These are issues we’ve discussed in the past few weeks.

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